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Posted on 07/07/2009 10:15:22 AM PDT by sig226
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
I’ll call and I can guarantee no such study exists.
You were already told about three times at least for any study to have happened that makes the NRA rules superior to the Cooper rules certain things must happen.
1. Two groups have to be assembled that have never handled a firearm in their entire lives.
2. Each group had to be taught the separate rules with no knowledge of the other rules.
3. Those two groups have to be followed their entire lives so they never consider the other rules.
4. Accidents, misfires and Negligent Discharges have to recorded to total which group had the most firearms mistakes.
I can guarantee you that no such study has ever been attempted and the only thing you have is personal attacks.
I’ll call tomorrow and waste my time.
Shooter 2.5 NRA patron member
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posted on
07/08/2009 9:09:47 PM PDT
by
Shooter 2.5
(NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
To: Tainan
The .44-40 is of a separate family tree, also called the .44 WCF (Winchester Center fire) with is (IIRC) a .45 Colt casing necked down to .44. The Specials are all straight cases.
To: Tijeras_Slim
Howdy, here's a good time-line on the 44wcf & 44-40 cartridge from over at leverguns.com:
http://www.leverguns.com/articles/44wcf.htm
No mention of it evolving into the .44 special though. Now Chuck Hawks has a lot of info on it, the .44 special, as he twells it:
"Smith & Wesson introduced the .44 Special in 1907 as a smokeless powder cartridge. Its case was based on a lengthened version of the older .44 Russian black powder cartridge. The .44 Russian had an impressive reputation for accuracy and so does the .44 Special."
http://www.chuckhawks.com/44special.htm
Of course he says a bit more also.
I spent a great part of my youthful energies reading Elmer Keith, so his early experimentation with the .44 special are the stuff of legends...but, as he said..."Hell, I was there!"...so he must be right. He had the big ol N-frames and he just went up from the basic. Pretty soon he was shooting deer across them valleys.
A good article is here:
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/.44_Special
It looks like the .44 Russian was the main, there were others it looks like, ancestor to the .44 special which came along in 1907 for "New Century model, also known as the .44 Hand Ejector, or 1st Model of 1908. In common parlance of the time it also become known as the Triple Lock."
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/.44_Special
I had always thought its lineage came from the .44-40 blackpowder line. Oh well, I still like it.
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posted on
07/09/2009 6:38:10 AM PDT
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Tainan
To: Tainan
I’m partial to the Special as well, shoot a bunch out of a S&W 696 and a 3rd Model HE of 1926.
To: UriÂ’el-2012
I spent the morning chasing down your claim and Mark Richardson of the NRA training department is unaware of any such study regarding the superiority of the NRA rules to the Jeff Cooper rules.
Until you can produce any such study from the NRA, you can stop making such ridiculous claims.
Shooter 2.5 Patron member of the NRA-Safety officer of the International Defensive Pistol Association
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posted on
07/09/2009 8:01:56 AM PDT
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Shooter 2.5
(NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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