Posted on 05/04/2009 9:43:55 AM PDT by Chet 99
People who have plans for their kids to be permanent underclass members.
Golden Retrievers are on that list? That’s crazy.
Cool, I don't want my neighbor playing with those two things either.
I have heard this specious argument before; the situation is not at all analogous. Firearms do not have free will. They do not choose to attack or not. If there were guns that got up on their own and without human intervention shot people I would probably want them banned or restricted. Dogs OTO do all sorts of things on their own including biting 4.7 million people a year.
And in case you haven't noticed there have been a large number of weapons eliminated form the list of those I'm allowed to have vs those allowed to government agents, so the problem that gun banners have is not with weapons at all just weapons in the hands of people other than JBT's. So there is a precedent.
But you have not answered my question. You have merely asked it back to me. I'll ask again. How does eliminated a breed or two harm anyone's ability to have a pet (and last time I looked there was no amendment that guaranteed the right to keep and harbor vicious dogs)
Yes, but the point is, look at the list of breeds. This is not just a few breeds, regardless of whether or not the laws have been passed, they have been proposed.
Rare does not mean horrible. Clearly there is a problem with the English language for some. Rare means not common. And regardless of what the media would like you to believe this is not a common occurrence.
So are you now advocating for a ban on such guns?
The problem is when you read about pit bull attacks almost every day they are common ...
Most of these laws are written by people who don’t know much about dogs. I suspect most of them are spearheaded by the likes of HSUS and PETA. They are behind the push for mandatory spay/neuter laws across the country as well.
I do think we should ban lightening! ;)
Yeah, after repeated toddlers get their throats repeatedly ripped out. After which the pit bull owners repeatedly claim, “Oh, but my pit bull was so gentle. I just don’t understand it.”
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Try turning on your sarcasmometer. Or adjusting it.
It’s not working.
Run your sarcasmometer’s hand-held wand over the word ‘repeatedly’.
It is indeed analogous with respect to freedom...and, though, untrained dogs owned by irresponsible masters may indeed bite that doesn't mean we should ban certain breeds. In my mind, it is the same as leaving a loaded weapon near a playground as the responsibility for the dog falls entirely on the owner rather than on the animal.
And in case you haven't noticed there have been a large number of weapons eliminated form the list of those I'm allowed to have vs those allowed to government agents, so the problem that gun banners have is not with weapons at all just weapons in the hands of people other than JBT's. So there is a precedent.
With certain licenses, you are allowed to own certain fully-automatic weapons in your state of Georgia. You can also, it is my belief, own a Barrett .50 caliber as well as other large caliber firearms.
But you have not answered my question. You have merely asked it back to me. I'll ask again. How does eliminated a breed or two harm anyone's ability to have a pet (and last time I looked there was no amendment that guaranteed the right to keep and harbor vicious dogs)
Of course it would harm someone's ability to have the specific breed of pet they desired. Currently, the American Staffordshire Terrier, the Bull Terrier, the American Bulldog, the American Pitbull Terrier, the Dogo Argentine, etc. (dogs often categorized as "pitbulls) are all either recognized by the American or United Kennel Clubs of America. Other powerful breeds (Rotties, Canes, Tosas, Airedales, Giant Schnauzers, plus many more) are also purebred dogs that are recognized.
And, although, dog breeds are not as easily concealed as guns or drugs, they would be extremely difficult to eliminate from all except the thug/criminal types. Being from GA, I am certain that you are familiar with a certain former q.b. for the Atlanta Falcons. Well, he operated a kennel full of PBTs and staged dog fights, but the majority of his neighbors knew nothing.
Which would explain why I use that signature phrase about TEN TIMES A WEEK.
A study examining a two-year period by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention stated that, "during 1997 and 1998, at least 27 people died of dog bite attacks (18 in 1997 and 9 in 1998). At least 25 breeds of dogs have been involved in 238 human DBRF (dog bite related fatalities) during the past 20 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_Bull#Dog_bite_related_human_injuries
I simply don't have anything more recent, and no one seems to keep non fatal bite stats. But, if you call 27 fatal instances a year not rare, then I suggest you are in the minority in the use of the word rare.
Well, how about "involuntary manslaughter" and prison time--just as you'd get if you were DUI and killed another.
Your dog bites somebody the person who got bit gets to hit you twice as hard as they can with a 2x4. Dead serious and tired of these damned dogs ...
A lawsuit hurts more, IMHO!
Then how do you explain that two breeds account for 67% of the dog bite fatalities? Presumably their owners are statistically speaking identical to other dog owners, so it must be the dog. And BTW if there were a make and model of gun that were shown to have a statistically significant habit of firing on its own I would advocate banning it on the grounds of consumer safety and defective products.
Dunno what point you're making about .50 cal - I can't have an RPG, an 81mm or case of grenades (and personally I probably wouldn't want them - I have a rule about not having explosive ordinance around the house, but that is irrelevant to this discussion) SO there are plenty of things that I can't have, and the precendent for good or for bad exists.
I guess we are not going to agree on this.
Ha Michael Vick - I think he got the dirty end of the stick and was treated a lot harsher than he deserved because of his celebrity status.
I was bitten by a goat once. On the same day I was bitten by a chipmunk. (not kidding, I was 10)
The nurse wanted to ban me.
Snakes and lightening is just a way to change the subject from pit mauling to another subject..
I don't know of many people that keep lightening as pets..
Ohhhh that rotten dirty slippery slope...
Or is it equivocation...
either way...it’s dirty rotten and foul.
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