Posted on 04/12/2009 10:58:48 PM PDT by Chet 99
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Amazing how these threads get
And even on the lib sites
Abort the human babies
Save those lovely pitbulls that kill someone
“Liberals use your specific argument about guns; “No one needs a gun! That’s what police and the military are for!””
They do indeed - but they use it incorrectly.
“It is never the object - it is always the person using or owning the object. Lets keep the focus on personal responsibility. If someone can demonstrate they are able to contain a dangerous animal - why shouldn’t they be able to own it as long as they sign a document that says if the animal gets loose and kills or maims someone then the owner agrees that he, or she, shall be equally killed or maimed by the same method?”
I would agree with you except for one MAJOR flaw in your argument: dogs, in this case, Pit Bulls, are NOT objects. They are living, breathing animals with instincts. Guns (and other inanimate objects) cannot act on their own; as you stated, dogs are modified wolves and they hunt. That is an active thing. As for signing some sort of agreement, that’s silly.
“Bottom line - poor people should not own large breeds that are known for attacks if they do not have the insurance money to back it up and also expensive fencing. “
What? Sounds like you just stepped all in your whole appeal to true freedom and true justice... it’s for ALL — kinda like the Pledge. ;)
Again, your argument is specious. I’m sorry, but it is. There is no logic; you appeal to emotion — and understandably so as you are emotionally invested in your “war dogs.” However, that does not negate the fact that Pit Bulls, and some other breeds possibly, are nuisance animals. They serve no purpose but to boost egos as you mentioned, or to hunt/attack other dogs or humans. If you’re in the business of war, or hunting humans, then, there might be some sort of odd argument there.
But, it doesn’t change the fact that Pit Bulls have no purpose in homes. If they’re baiting or attacking bulls in your back yard bull ring, then that might be different. ;D
Flame on.
Hoss
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Exactly
These threads do help cull out some FReepers
I’m thinking they cull out all those who do not like PitBulls.
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Getting a pitbull is like voting for Obama:
“Hey kids! Let’s all get a Muzzie cokehead in the White House!”
Lol, I think we need to find a new thread and stay off the Canteen and the PitBulls.
Astronomy pic of the day is not good, gotta find something else.
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OK
I’ll look too
Promises, promises....lol.
A boxer looks nothing like a pit bull. Larger animal, much longer legs, not nearly as vicious. That’s why drug dealers have pit bulls—not boxers. The differences are striking and significant.
What do you think a pit bull looks like?
Meh, I don’t see how you can possibly disagree with my awesome logic, but hey whatever! :D
Besides, I can just pull the “please define the precise EXACT legal definition of a Pit Bull Terrier” card on you.
Then, when you are finally able to recite the letter of the law and code that will stand up to legal challenges as to what precisely that is (and it would take decades to even get such a law on the books), then I simply change one minor thing in the breed (you can do that with dogs, that’s how you start with a large wild wolf-like canine and years later end up with a Toy Poodle lap dog) and presto - I have legally outmaneuvered you and still have my dangerous killer dog leaving you with only a bag full of frustration.
If people want to breed dogs over time for killer aggression you are going to have a hard time keeping the laws constantly changed and updated. They will just breed circles around the law. Have you ever seen how long it takes to pass a law or even make a change?
Besides we both know that nobody is ever going to do anything about this issue or enforce it. People will still own these and still pose a potential serious threat to you and yours, even if just by negligence, carelessness and accident.
So...the best bet, unfortunately in this type of scenario where you might have scumbag careless neighbors;
.....if you have kids or vulnerable pets or people around you....
....and you are worried about a obviously vicious psycho dog that presents a potential threat.....
....and the subject dog is barely contained behind a low fence with a hole getting larger every day....
welp, hate to say it but there are certainly ways to deal with it and eliminate the threat and no one will ever be able to prove a thing... Hopefully you would be kind and make it as painless as possible.
You can also take the option of attempting to talk to the neighbor, but then they now know you have a problem with it. And if they do nothing or tell you to get the hell off their property, you are back to square one with few options.
Of course if the dog gets out and comes on your property then its game on and you can pretty much blow it away in my book. Laws may vary depending on locality.
Now of course if the dog was well secured and the owner appears concerned and responsible - then the outcome might be different and there might be no need for any unpleasantness.
As for my “dog in this fight” or emotional investment. That is incorrect. I am neutral and my main focus is freedom allows ownership but at the same time it should allow extremely harsh punishment of those who can’t handle the responsibility that comes with it.
Do I feel sorry for the dog, the PBT in these scenarios? Of course, its a shame. They really don’t understand a lot of complicated issues. They have fairly simple minds of course. In a sense, they are “innocent”. But they should be killed regardless and as humanely as possible - if safety is in doubt.
You’d be surprised how stupid the “experts” are. Vets and shelter people mistake Labs and so forth for PBTs or crosses, never mind a not-perfect Boxer or any other dog.
This is probably the #1 reason I’m against banning any dogs.
That’s him!
A fellow graveyard nut, are ya?
Check this out;
http://www.gardensofnocturne.com
It’s only partly done because post-processing infrared takes a while and it’s currently what I’m “into”.
I had to stop labeling what cemetery is which because vandalizing cemeteries is the new “in thing” hereabouts.
This summer, I intend to cover about a 200 square mile area, hunting up old family plots and the ‘lost cemeteries’.
I’ve got my topo map pages flagged and my sites marked in highlighter.
Thanks for the link!
It will probably prove very useful to me...:)
Salamander
[who slithers ‘round the “lych-yards” at twilight]
;D
If you ever run for president, you’ve got my vote.
There’s Rollo right above your post.
There’s Greyfriar’s Bobby and most recently, the loyal GSD who sat for *months* in a truck with her master’s rotting corpse after the selfish bastard took her with him into the desert where he blew his brains out.
[there’s a FR thread about it, somewhere]
In 1993, my first Ibizan refused to eat, drink or move from the chair that faced the front door after I’d been taken to the hospital ER for double pneumonia.
On the third day, when I was told was going on with her, I pulled out my tubes and went home.
I knew she would grieve herself to death if I did not return.
“Those stories” are true.
I am a romantic dog lover *and* a realistic dog respecter.
One need not be mutually exclusive of the other.
> Don’t get me wrong, I’m definitely playing devils advocate against both sides in this debate and am actually quite neutral on the question of “right to have” a “killer dog” - other than my already defined stipulations. <
Most localities prohibit owning “killer” dogs. However, the dog must, in the majority of cases, be proven to individually be a danger to society.
You cannot prove that an entire breed (which the pit bull is not, by definition) or especially an entire type (which defines the term, “pit bull”, but also defines the term, “terrier”) of dog poses a definite threat to the citizens in the area.
Spoken like a well-trained socialist.
Get stuffed, I'll own what I want, be it certain firearms, automobiles, knives, or animals.
You are most definitely NOT the ultimate arbiter of what should be owned, nor who should own it.
It's called FREEDOM, baybee! Love it and defend it, or lose it.
Your little screed about *how certain breeds should be owned* is RIGHT out of the leftist playbook.
First they came for the pit bulls, but I said nothing, for I owned not a pit bull.
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