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Report: Bristol Palin and Fiancé Split
TODAY ^ | 03.11.09 | STAFF

Posted on 03/11/2009 3:47:01 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay

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To: Philo-Junius
The bottom line is NOT a committed loving father.

The bottom line is whether or not the biological family can raise and love the child even without a committed loving father. If one of my daughters were to have a child out of wedlock, do you think we would turn over our God given responsibility to raise this child to know Him to strangers if we didn't have to?

No, we wouldn't. As a mother of biological and adopted children (and all that implies), I can assure you that an adopted father does not suddenly trump biological family. Nor does it trump the questions and feelings of abandonment. And on and on.

And as a mother of adoptive children, I can promise you that the kids you least expect to have problems with issues like abandonment may very well be the kids who struggle with that for years.

God places a child in a family, and unless that family can't take care of that child, the child should stay in that family.

IF someone truly and freely feels that she is making the best decision for her child by placing that child for adoption then fine, but she needs to know all her options. Her "sacrifice" is no guarantee of anything for that child.

861 posted on 03/12/2009 6:21:34 PM PDT by Texas_shutterbug
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To: ktscarlett66

The family is the fundamental building block of our society, it is not a purely private entity upon which we each get to build our own model—that’s why we fight gay marriage, because it undermines the ability of our society to maintain the truth that the fundamental purpose for marriage is the social protection and regulation of childrearing.

So, no, illegitimacy is not a private family matter.

So is pre-marital sex, illegitimacy and elective single parent housemaking wrong, or just wrong for you, as an arbitrary matter of personal taste about which reasonable people can disagree, like preferring oysters to snails?


862 posted on 03/12/2009 6:29:10 PM PDT by Philo-Junius ((One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.))
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To: Texas_shutterbug

If I may enquire:

How old were your adopted children when you adopted them?


863 posted on 03/12/2009 6:30:57 PM PDT by Philo-Junius ((One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.))
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To: Texas_shutterbug

Thank you for making your opinion of fatherhood crystalline as well.


864 posted on 03/12/2009 6:32:11 PM PDT by Philo-Junius ((One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.))
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To: Philo-Junius
Older than infancy, but I have been very active in the "adoption community" and feelings of abandonment can occur even to kids who were adopted as preemies.

My childhood beset friend was adopted. She never, ever felt like she was loved as much as her brothers (who were her parents bio children.)

Another good friend (adult friend) just hasn't been phased by the fact that she was adopted, but her brother (also adopted) has had issues with abandonment well into adulthood.

My cousin spent years looking for her biological family, and she grew up in a very loving family. She adores her "real" parents, but still felt the urge to seek out her bio parents.

The adoption triangle is much more complicated than many people realize. I used to think adoption issues were convenient scapegoats for folks with problems, but I really don't believe that anymore.

Don't get me wrong. Raising children who were adopted into one's family can be a huge blessing, and has been so for us, but I'm not naive enough anymore to think that adoption is just the perfect solution to unwed pregnancy. It most certainly is not. Children are BORN INTO A FAMILY. Removing a child from an intact family in order to provide an adoptive father is not necessarily "the best" thing for that child. Every child I know who was born out of wedlock and stayed in the biological family with strong emotional, spiritual and financial support has done as good or better than any child placed for adoption. It can and does work - all it takes is a family who loves that young unwed mother and child, and believes that child belongs in their family.

865 posted on 03/12/2009 6:42:48 PM PDT by Texas_shutterbug
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To: Texas_shutterbug

Throw me a bone here: don’t families, by definition, include, well—a father?

Or are they optional?

Don’t you believe that single parent children suffer from feelings of abandonment as well?


866 posted on 03/12/2009 6:47:03 PM PDT by Philo-Junius ((One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.))
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To: Philo-Junius
I've been in an intact marriage for over 25 years. I believe fatherhood is essential. You only have to look at certain subsets of our population to see what happens without fathers. However, when a young woman keeps her child in a strong family with strong male role models who accept responsibility for that child - as a grandchild, nephew, etc. - the child sees that men don't abandon the "unwanted" offspring. My husband would NEVER encourage one of his daughters to give up his grandchild. As a real man (dare I say "patriarch") he would take that child under his wings, much like our Heavenly Father does. Furthermore, at all times would we encourage the bio father to remain a part of the child's life.

Think about it.

867 posted on 03/12/2009 6:47:45 PM PDT by Texas_shutterbug
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To: Philo-Junius
Sure, if the bio father isn't around that child will suffer feelings of abandonment knowing that his bio father wanted nothing to do with him. However, if you read the literature, most kids who were adopted want to know "how and why" their biological MOTHER gave them up first and foremost. Even with prevalent abortion in our society, young people know to the core of their being that a mother/child bond was broken, and they want to know why that mother could let that child go. Yes, kids do have questions about their bio fathers, but you don't get the heartwrenching questions like "How could she give me up?" "Do you think she thinks about me?" "Do you think she will want to meet me someday?" Children want to know about their bio fathers, but the emotional baggage is aimed at the bio mother.

Look, I write this as the wife of the best father I know. Not many men have biological children and then go out and adopt other children, all the while being a loving, hands on dad. I would like all kids to have a man like him in their lives. Fatherhood is vital. But don't confuse being born into an intact, extended christian family with being born into a socioeconomic, deprived situation with no men in sight. It's just not the same thing.

868 posted on 03/12/2009 6:57:33 PM PDT by Texas_shutterbug
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To: Philo-Junius
Sorry I don’t offend.

But like I said I do have a sense of proportion and discernment.

869 posted on 03/12/2009 7:12:34 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 1-20-2013 *(Thanks Nana))
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To: ozarkgirl
You don't need science to proof anything that you see with you eyes any more then you need the National Weather Service to tell you it is raining when you are outside in a storm getting wet.

Sadly some don't get that.

870 posted on 03/12/2009 7:15:12 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 1-20-2013 *(Thanks Nana))
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To: mad_as_he$$

He gets it from his mother, trust me...


871 posted on 03/12/2009 7:17:10 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 1-20-2013 *(Thanks Nana))
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Indeed, a strong observation on your part.


872 posted on 03/12/2009 7:17:16 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 1-20-2013 *(Thanks Nana))
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To: ejonesie22
lol. My kids also get their looks from their mother.

I have a face for radio.

873 posted on 03/12/2009 7:19:18 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (You want me to buy heavy metal? Metallica?)
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To: ozarkgirl
Yeah, but the other end can put out a poop that would level Detroit...

Not that it weould be a bad thing mind you....

874 posted on 03/12/2009 7:19:30 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 1-20-2013 *(Thanks Nana))
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To: ozarkgirl
Well there are those toxic poops...

The attachment is real though, and I would never give the kid away in a million years, poops and all.

875 posted on 03/12/2009 7:21:20 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 1-20-2013 *(Thanks Nana))
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To: Philo-Junius; 2nd amendment mama
Oh you really are a piece of work...

That cute little kid of mine, he got here that way, and while the reasons that was so are none of your business, suffice it to say my wife and I thank God that technology was available. So are many of our service men and women wounded over seas.

Oh, I forgot since they are away serving their country they should not be thinking about kids, or turn over the ones they have to "stable married couples"...

876 posted on 03/12/2009 7:27:52 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 1-20-2013 *(Thanks Nana))
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To: ejonesie22; ozarkgirl

Meant to ping you as well.


877 posted on 03/12/2009 7:28:52 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 1-20-2013 *(Thanks Nana))
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To: Texas_shutterbug
Bingo.

Abandonment issues are the number one problem with adopted children. No matter the age at which they were adopted.

878 posted on 03/12/2009 7:30:16 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 1-20-2013 *(Thanks Nana))
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To: mad_as_he$$

Well then I must have a face for telegraph...


879 posted on 03/12/2009 7:31:17 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 1-20-2013 *(Thanks Nana))
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To: ktscarlett66
Done.

You want the poopy diaper too?

880 posted on 03/12/2009 7:32:29 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 1-20-2013 *(Thanks Nana))
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