Posted on 02/10/2009 4:03:18 AM PST by JoeProBono
Thanks.
Will check it out.
Famous Quotes - Military
Name:
Admiral Delmar Fahrney
Quotes:
Reliable reports indicate there are objects coming into our atmosphere at very high speeds and controlled by thinking intelligences.
A public statement, 1957.
No agency in this country or Russia is able to duplicate at this time the speeds and accelerations which radars and observers indicate these flying objects are able to achieve.
Printed in New York Times. Admiral Fahrney was former head of the Navy’s guided-missile program.
Name:
Brig. General George Shulgen
Quotes:
It is the considered opinion of some elements that the object may in fact represent an interplanetary craft of some kind.
From a Draft Intelligence Collections Memorandum by Brig. Geneneral George Shulgen, Oct. 28, 1947
Name:
Captain Bill Uhouse
Quotes:
The [flight] simulator was for the extraterrestrial craft they had a 30 meter one that crashed in Kingman, Arizona, back in 1953. I was inside the actual alien craft for a start-up....There are probably two or three dozen [ARVs] that we built.
From Disclosure, Steven M. Greer. Captain Bill Uhouse was in the US Marine Corps.
Name:
Captain Eddie Rickenbacker
Quotes:
Flying saucers are real. Too many good men have seen them, that don’t have hallucinations.
Captain Rickenbacker was known as, American Ace of Aces, medal of honor-winning commander of the 94th Aero Pursuit Squadron in WWI, with 26 kills.
Name:
Captain Edward J. Ruppelt
Quotes:
Every time I get skeptical, I think of the other reports made by experienced pilots and radar operators, scientists, and other people who know what they are looking at. These reports were thoroughly investigated and they are still unknowns.
We have no aircraft on this earth that can at will so handily outdistance our latest jets... The pilots, radar specialists, generals, industrialists, scientists, and the man on the street who have told me, I wouldn’t have believed it either if I hadn’t seen it myself, knew what they were talking about. Maybe the Earth is being visited by interplanetary space ships.
When four college professors, a geologist, a chemist, a physicist, and a petroleum engineer report seeing the same UFOs on fourteen different occasions, the event can be classified as, at least, unusual. Add the fact that hundreds of other people saw these UFOs and that they were photographed, and the story gets even better. Add a few more facts, that these UFOs were picked up on radar and that a few people got a close look at one of them, and the story begins to convince even the most ardent skeptic.
Ruppelt, Chief of Project Blue Book, from his book, The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects, 1956.
Name:
Captain Robert Salas
Quotes:
[The security guard called and] said, Sir, there’s a glowing red object hovering right outside the front gate. I’ve got all the men out here with their weapons drawn. We lost between 16 to 18 ICBMs [nuclear-tipped InterContinental Ballistic Missiles] at the same time UFOs were in the area...[A high-ranking Air Force Officer] said, Stop the investigation; do no more on this and do not write a final report. I heard that many of the guards that reported this incident were sent off to Viet Nam.
From Disclosure, Steven M. Greer. Captain Robert Salas was a US Air Force officer.
Name:
Captain Thomas Mantell
Quotes:
It appears to be a metallic object......tremendous in size....directly ahead and slightly above .... I am trying to close for a better look.
Mantell, a USAF pilot, reporting to the tower at Goodman Air Force base, a UFO they had picked up on radar and requested him to investigate. Mantell’s plane was later found strewn across a stretch of ground just southwest of Franklyn, Kentucky.
Name:
Colonel Carl Sanderson
Quotes:
From their maneuvers and their terrific speed I am certain their flight performance was greater than any aircraft known today.
Sanderson, USAF, commenting on his sighting of two circular silver UFOs in close proximity to his plane over Hermanas, New Mexico. The UFOs were said to make a series of seemingly impossible maneuvers before disappearing at an astonishing speed and showing up again over El Paso, Texas.
Name:
Colonel Charles Senn
Quotes:
I sincerely hope that you are successful in preventing a reopening of UFO investigations.
In a letter from , to Lieutenant General Duward Crow of NASA, dated 1 September 1977. Colonel Senn was Chief of the Air Force, Community Relations Division.
Name:
Colonel Joseph J. Bryan III
Quotes:
These UFOs are interplanetary devices systematically observing the earth, either manned or under remote control, or both.
Information on UFOs, including sighting reports, has been and is still being officially withheld.
Bryan was founder of the CIA’s psychological warfare staff, special assistant to the secretary of the Air Force, advisor to NATO, and board member of the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomenon (NICAP).
Name:
Colonel Philip J. Corso
Quotes:
If you suppress the truth it becomes your enemy...if you expose the truth it becomes your weapon. I had the evidence that a crash did happen. I ask you this, were you there with me? did you have the clearances? They can’t answer these questions, they simply criticize with no evidence.
I had the evidence that a crash did happen here....Give this information to the young people of the world and this country....They want it. Give it to them. Don’t hide it and tell lies and make stories. They’re not stupid....It’s their information. It doesn’t belong to the Army or the Department of Defense. If it’s classified, take the classification off and give it to them!
Colonel Corso made this impassioned plea not long before his death in the summer of 1998. He was a member of President Eisenhower’s National Security Council and later went on to become head of the U.S. Army Research and Development department’s Foreign Technology Desk where he claimed to have worked with General Arthur Trudeau in seeding American military and industrial institutions with technology under his stewardship which came from a crashed alien craft in Roswell New Mexico.
Name:
Colonel Robert Willingham
Quotes:
Headquarters wouldn’t let us go after it and we played around a little bit. We got to watching how it made 90 degree turns at this high speed and everything. We knew it wasn’t a missile of any type. So then, we confirmed it with the radar control station, and they kept following it, and they claimed that it crashed somewhere off between Texas and the Mexico border.
Willingham, USAF, from an affidavit filed in the 1970s. Willingham and his navigator were test flying an F-94 on Sept.6, 1950 out of San Angelo, Texas when they were alerted by radar control operators of a UFO in their area.
Name:
Colonel Steve Wilson
Quotes:
I have no feelings, truthfully. My association with MJ-12 has left me dead inside. I feel myself still cold and calculating. I never let anyone get close to me. I feel like a human robot. I have killed mercilessly and lied for the good of the country, or so I believed at the time.
The things I have seen are beyond human understanding and totally unbelievable. I only have a desire to help humanity somehow through what is bound to come soon.
Col. Wilson, USAF, revealed that he was in charge of Project Pounce, the unit tasked to retrieve downed UFOs and prevent civilian access to them. He also revealed the designations and manufacturers of U.S. antigravity craft.
Name:
Colonel Thomas Jefferson Dubose
Quotes:
There were orders to ship the material from Roswell directly to Wright Field by special plane. Dubose was adjutant to Brig. General Roger Ramey at the time of the Roswell Incident. This statement contradicts the official story that the material was first flown to Fort Worth, Texas, where Ramey posed with Major Marcel and pieces of a weather balloon for the media.
Name:
Corporal Jonathan Weygandt
Quotes:
[The UFO] was buried in the side of a cliff. When I first saw it, I was scared. I think the creatures calmed me...[Later] I was arrested [by an Air Force officer]. He was saying, Do you like the Constitution? I’m like, Yeah. He said, We don’t obey. We just do what we want. And if you tell anybody [about us or the UFO], you will just come up missing.
From Disclosure, Steven M. Greer. Corporal Weygandt was in the U.S. Marine Corps.
Name:
General Curtis LeMay
Quotes:
We had a number of reports from reputable individuals (well-educated serious-minded folks, scientists and fliers) who surely saw something.
As Air Force Chief of Staff, in his 1965 autobiography, Mission With LeMay, stated that although the bulk of UFO reports could be explained as conventional or natural phenomena, some could not.
Many of the mysteries might be explained away as weather balloons, stars, reflected lights, all sorts of odds and ends. I don’t mean to say that, in the unclosed and unexplained or unexplainable instances, those were actually flying objects. All I can say is that no natural phenomena could be found to account for them... Repeat again: There were some cases we could not explain. Never could.
Statement from 1965 autobiography Mission With LeMay, with MacKinlay Kantor, New York: Doubleday, 1965.
Name:
General Douglas MacArthur
Quotes:
The nations of the world will have to unite, for the next war will be an interplanetary war. The nations of the earth must someday make a common front against attack by people from other planets.
The New York Times, October 8, 1955
You now face a new world a world of change. The thrust into outer space of the satellite, spheres and missiles marked the beginning of another epoch in the long story of mankind , the chapter of the space age... We speak in strange terms: of harnessing the cosmic energy... of the primary target in war, no longer limited to the armed forces of an enemy, but instead to include his civil populations; of ultimate conflict between a united human race and the sinister forces of some other planetary galaxy.
An address by General Douglas MacArthur to the United States Military Academy at West Point, May 12, 1962.
Great collection of quotes.
Going to save it at the bottom of my Word Ping list file.
Of course the naysayers have no respect for any high ranking military, scientist etc. .. . no one other than the brilliant character in their mirrors . . . so the excellent quotes will have no influence on most of them.
/s
Here’s a good compilation of UFO stuff from Google:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-161154636796558877&hl=en
That really is a great compilation of good videos.
I encourage folks to watch the whole thing though it is long.
The long collection of videos has some excellent ones that are hard to explain, imho.
Certainly, whoever vetted them did a good job.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-161154636796558877&hl=en
Which . . . thinking about it . . . this is Google . . . a lot more of this sort of stuff is cropping up all over the place. Can’t be accidental or coincidental, imho.
RE THIS LINK of many of the better videos:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-161154636796558877&hl=en
AT 52;52
is the better vid of the large “Phx lights” craft . . .
54:10 is a large collection of craft in broad daylight in Mexico . . . Mexico City, I think.
56:15 several behind hang glider in daylight
1:04 interesting formation flight in daylight b/w
1:05 professor Jacobs and the military man supervising filming of the launch the dummy warhead missle that was shot out of the sky by a beam from a UFO.
1:05 Astronaut Gordon Cooper about craft landing on land etc.
1:07 Major Jesse Marcel’s son Dr Marcel re Roswell
1:09 Walter Haught about being ordered by Col Blanchard to release a press release about us having recovered a flying saucer.
Marcel discusses the balloon debris photo and how the material in the photo was DEFINITELY NOT what his dad showed him and his mother on the floor of their kitchen in the early morning hours.
1:10 FRANK JOYCE FIRST TO ANNOUNCE OVER RADIO SAUCER FIND
received call purportedly from Pentegon . . . within a few minutes of it going out on the air.
Menecing voice . . . I noted I was a civilian . . .
that he couldn’t talk to me that way.
He said I was going to get in a lot of trouble . . .
He said he’d show me what he could do . . . and hung up the phone.
01 :12 Owner of the radio George Jud Roberts.
I got a call from one of the Senators that if I put out any stories on this thing, I’d lose my license.
01:12:54Woman: tearfully
. . . He had this club and he was beating it on his hand and he’d hit every time he said something . . . can’t you get this through your head . . . you never saw anything and you don’t know anything.
It’s a big desert out here. We can just take you out in this desert . . . and no one would ever find your body . . . anything but your bones.
I told him I would not talk about it.
We have a wide body of testimony about the cover-up.
Glenn Dennis . . . calls about child-sized coffins . . . questions about tissues . . . Also had the ambulance contract . . . found himself being roughly escorted off the base . . . told me to get out of there . . . as fast as he could . . .
I met her out at the officer’s club . . . she was already there [nurse] . . . then she told me what happened about going into this room . . . 2 doctors . . . 2 mutilated bodies in a crash bag . . . the other a very small body . . . wanted her to write down what they were exammining . . .
they all became very ill . . . toxic smell . . .
1:17 Congressman Steven H Schmittsp?
We’ve had 3 different explanations from the Air Force . . .
Hard to believe that the top atomic Bomber wing would have a problem telling a saucer from a balloon.
01:17:30 Twining memo
There are objects approx the shape of a disc . . .
President Truman passed the National Security Act . . .
1:18 Established the National Security Act and the CIA
Wilbur Smith . . . official in Canadian Office of Transport . . . Smith was informed that flying saucers exist and that it was the most highly classified subject in the US Government.
Dr Edgar Mitchell . . . has met with credible professionals in 2 governments who have testified to him who have worked around such things . . . former intel, military, contractor people who’s official duties were to investigate this subject . . . were under great restrictions . . .
Malstrom AFT in MT . . . largest missle field in the world . . .
Lt Col Robert Salas . . . Minute Men missles . . .
1:20:31 Contacted by his topside guard . . . ordered guard to observe . . .
Called back within a few minutes very frightened . . . extremely agitated. Object hovering outside the front gate redish orange, hovering . . . I woke up my CDR, as I was telling him, the missles went into no-go condition one after the other. We lost about 20 missles that morning.
The guard said that the UFO had vanished, had taken off at high speed. Missles were controlled individually . . .
Losing one would not effect the others. Were separated by miles.
Somehow, this UFO was able to disable these missles .
Debriefed by OSI . . . need to sign these docs to not disclose ever . . .
1:23 IKE’S MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX SPEECH JAN 17 1961
1:23:31 BRIG GEN STEPHEN LOVEKIN:
“I think he was telling us that the military industrial complex will stick you in the back. I think he felt like he had trusted too many people. He served under Ike in the signal agency.
He realized that he was losing control. He realized that this phenomenon whatever it was . . . was not going to be in the best hands. That was the expression that was used.
Mitchell . . . whatever activity is going on . . . it is without of any kind of high level government oversight.
Steven Shiff NM Congressman.
Letter just said we referred your letter req info to the archives . . . Congressman was again referred to the national archives. I got a response from them that we have no information about the Roswell . . .
I felt this was a runnaround . . . Defense Dept sent me to another agency knowing it would not have info.
Lord Norton Hill . . .
Dr Edgar Mitchell . . . have been ET visitations, crashed craft, material and bodies recovered . . . some group of people somewhere may or may not be assoiciated with government at this time. . . .
Stanton Friedman . . . Absolute Power corrupts absolutely
1:27 Lt Col Charles Halt . . . Bentwaters England . . .
Sgt said I wouldn’t believe what had happened . . . base security police had been chasing UFO all night.
He said it’s back. What’s back? The UFO’s back.
I said I’d go, went home; put utilities clothes on; my tape recorder . . . we went out into forest with security police . . . whole time I was using small cassette recorder . . . was eerie . . . were making noise then suddenly got quiet.
something like molten metal dripping off the object . . .
object . . . sending down beams . . . continuous . . . beam . . . did not get larger . . . one beam landed at our feet . . . stayed on for 5-10 seconds then as abruptly as came, disappeared.
gun camera footage of UFO’s that if ever shown, the game would be over . . .
going through these trees . . . pursuing something that we don’t want to see . . . a lot of people on this base violated people’s rights . . . mind control, injections . . .
I realized it was an aircraft crash . . . job was identify, get facts . . . report facts . . . let someone else make the assessment . . .
Jim Paterson . . . his original notebook . . . description . . . large white light glowing . . . . approx 10-15 meters from it.
I couldn’t determine the font. Seemed running but no sound
electricity in the air—could feel it in my clothing, the air, my skin
I got up close to the craft, writing changes . . . shaking writing vs confident . . . That’s enough. Sorry.
[emotional—tearful] some other time, OK?
PING BUDDY LIST to my transcription above . . . and this addendum:
LORD (ADMIRAL) Hill-NORTON —UK NAVY CHIEF:
1:32:50
“There’s a very strong body of opinion that believes that the United States, in particular is in communication with the occupants of these so called flying objects.”
“That a good deal of exchange of technology has taken place. That the United States has made significant advances in various technologies thanks to information given to them by the Aliens.
Gordon Cooper: Well, someone has kept it pretty secret for quite a while.
Lord Hill-Norton:
There are only 2 conceivable explanations for what happened:
Either a UFO landed there causing the damage and collapse of business which I have already mentioned.
OR
The Deputy Commander of a United States nuclear armed Air Base in Britain and 100’s of his men were hallucinating.
Now I put it to you. I put it to anybody with an atom of common sense—Either of those explanations—and they are the only two possible explanations—MUST be of defense interest. Don’t tell me otherwise.
I guess some guys get a little batty in old age. Besides, he abolished the Rum ration in the Royal Navy, proving he wasn’t quite right in the head.
LOL.
You’re a trip.
Any cock-amay-mee rationalization to dispense with good testimony! LOL.
Rumsfeld's Surprising UFO Connection Discovered
Exclusive to Rense.com From Sher 5-10-4
I have a small collection of vintage books on the UFO phenomenon -- incluing Aliens in the Skies: The New UFO Battle of the Scientists by John G. Fuller. Published in l969, it discusses the House Committee on Science and Astronautics which invited six prominent scientists (including Hynek and Sagan) to testify before a special UFO hearing on July 29, l968.
Anyway, I haven't read it through but I was looking at it when the name "Rumsfeld" popped out at me.... I tried to find out if it could be THE Donald Rumsfeld who participated in those hearings (only referenced as Mr. Rumsfeld). If so, who ever thought he was involved in this historic and very, very detailed hearing into the reality of UFOs?
So, I did a search of his bio but found nothing in his official bio that showed he served on the Committee. But he WAS in DC during that time - as a Congressman from Illinois.
I then searched for the UFO Committee report and I found the amazing quote posted at the end of this email.
By Jove, Donald Rumsfeld WAS on that UFO hearing committee and even introduced Hynek. Who knew?
Just a curious fact I thought you might be interested in. Curiouser and curiouser...
Best, Sher http://www.rense.com/general52/rum.htm
====================================================================================== The quote (from http://ncas.sawco.com/ufosymposium/intro.html )
Mr. Chairman -- the chairman of our full committee, Mr. George Miller.
Chairman Miller:
I want to join in welcoming you here. I want to point out that your presence here is not a challenge to the work that is being done by the Air Force, a particular agency that has to deal with this subject.
Unfortunately, there are those who are highly critical of the Air Force, saying that the Air Force has not approached this problem properly. I want you to know that we are in no way trying to go into the field that is theirs by law, and thus we are not critical of what the Air Force is doing.
We should look at the problem from every angle, and we are here in that respect. I just want to point out we are not here to criticize the actions of the Air Force.
Thank you.
Mr. Roush:
I think it is only appropriate that Dr. Hynek be introduced by our colleague, Mr. Rumsfeld.
Mr. Rumsfeld:
Mr. Rumsfeld. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It is a pleasure to welcome all the members of this distinguished panel, and particularly to welcome Dr. Allen Hynek, who is a son of Illinois, and presently serves in the Department of Astronomy and Director of the Lindheimer Astronomical Research Center. Dr. Hynek is a member of a number of scientific societies, and has served in the Government service as well as in the academic community. As his Congressman I am delighted he has been invited to appear on this panel, and we certainly look forward to his comments.
http://www.rense.com/general52/rum.htm
===============================================================================
Donald Rumsfeld and the "Need to Know"
A story told by Bud Hopkins
From the Rense Radio Show November 10, 2003
Allen Hynek had told me a very interesting thing many years ago and he said he simply didn’t know what to make of this particular remark. He found it both intriguing that he could consider it a blowhard kind of remark.
At any rate he somehow had gotten to know Donald Rumsfeld, and I know at one time was a congressman. I don't know if he was Allen Hynek's congressman. I'm not sure but Allen said that at some point when Rumsfeld was Secretary of Defense under Gerald Ford so this would be in the seventies. He went to Washington. Allen was on a visit, and he got an appointment with Rumsfeld. He had been for many many years a consultant for the Air Force on UFOs phenomena. He actually knew Rumsfeld. He said that they chatted about this and that in Rumsfeld's office and then he said. "I turned to him and I said, Don I have to ask you something. I have been in this for years looking at the UFO phenomena. I feel like at this point in my life I am in a position of "need to know" what you know or what some agency might know that I don't know. I have a need to know, I feel."
He said that Rumsfeld stood up and pointed a finger at him and said, "You have no need to know and then sat down again. That was the end of it.
This is what Allen said to me, and mind you this was a first hand story. This is what he was telling me one day while we were having a drink. He said, "Bud I have two ways of interpreting that."
"The first is what seemed to be the case that he did know something about it and that if I was going to be informed about it that I have no "Need to know" about it. It was a very firm thing."
"On the other hand I got the idea that he perhaps didn't know either and felt that he should know and that this was a kind of blustering thing."
Of course we do have a man who blusters, as we know from his present day role. So, he said, "I never knew how to take it."
I said did you ever decide what you thought and he said, "No, I vacillated between two different interpretations." I find it very interesting that the scientific consultant on UFO phenomena after his tenure was told this by the Secretary of Defense.
Rumsfeld on Known and Unknown
http://www.presidentialufo.com/donald_rumsfeld.htm
Rumsfeld's Surprising UFO Connection Discovered
Exclusive to Rense.com From Sher 5-10-4
I have a small collection of vintage books on the UFO phenomenon -- incluing Aliens in the Skies: The New UFO Battle of the Scientists by John G. Fuller. Published in l969, it discusses the House Committee on Science and Astronautics which invited six prominent scientists (including Hynek and Sagan) to testify before a special UFO hearing on July 29, l968.
Anyway, I haven't read it through but I was looking at it when the name "Rumsfeld" popped out at me.... I tried to find out if it could be THE Donald Rumsfeld who participated in those hearings (only referenced as Mr. Rumsfeld). If so, who ever thought he was involved in this historic and very, very detailed hearing into the reality of UFOs?
So, I did a search of his bio but found nothing in his official bio that showed he served on the Committee. But he WAS in DC during that time - as a Congressman from Illinois.
I then searched for the UFO Committee report and I found the amazing quote posted at the end of this email.
By Jove, Donald Rumsfeld WAS on that UFO hearing committee and even introduced Hynek. Who knew?
Just a curious fact I thought you might be interested in. Curiouser and curiouser...
Best, Sher http://www.rense.com/general52/rum.htm
====================================================================================== The quote (from http://ncas.sawco.com/ufosymposium/intro.html )
Mr. Chairman -- the chairman of our full committee, Mr. George Miller.
Chairman Miller:
I want to join in welcoming you here. I want to point out that your presence here is not a challenge to the work that is being done by the Air Force, a particular agency that has to deal with this subject.
Unfortunately, there are those who are highly critical of the Air Force, saying that the Air Force has not approached this problem properly. I want you to know that we are in no way trying to go into the field that is theirs by law, and thus we are not critical of what the Air Force is doing.
We should look at the problem from every angle, and we are here in that respect. I just want to point out we are not here to criticize the actions of the Air Force.
Thank you.
Mr. Roush:
I think it is only appropriate that Dr. Hynek be introduced by our colleague, Mr. Rumsfeld.
Mr. Rumsfeld:
Mr. Rumsfeld. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It is a pleasure to welcome all the members of this distinguished panel, and particularly to welcome Dr. Allen Hynek, who is a son of Illinois, and presently serves in the Department of Astronomy and Director of the Lindheimer Astronomical Research Center. Dr. Hynek is a member of a number of scientific societies, and has served in the Government service as well as in the academic community. As his Congressman I am delighted he has been invited to appear on this panel, and we certainly look forward to his comments.
http://www.rense.com/general52/rum.htm
===============================================================================
Donald Rumsfeld and the "Need to Know"
A story told by Bud Hopkins
From the Rense Radio Show November 10, 2003
Allen Hynek had told me a very interesting thing many years ago and he said he simply didn’t know what to make of this particular remark. He found it both intriguing that he could consider it a blowhard kind of remark.
At any rate he somehow had gotten to know Donald Rumsfeld, and I know at one time was a congressman. I don't know if he was Allen Hynek's congressman. I'm not sure but Allen said that at some point when Rumsfeld was Secretary of Defense under Gerald Ford so this would be in the seventies. He went to Washington. Allen was on a visit, and he got an appointment with Rumsfeld. He had been for many many years a consultant for the Air Force on UFOs phenomena. He actually knew Rumsfeld. He said that they chatted about this and that in Rumsfeld's office and then he said. "I turned to him and I said, Don I have to ask you something. I have been in this for years looking at the UFO phenomena. I feel like at this point in my life I am in a position of "need to know" what you know or what some agency might know that I don't know. I have a need to know, I feel."
He said that Rumsfeld stood up and pointed a finger at him and said, "You have no need to know and then sat down again. That was the end of it.
This is what Allen said to me, and mind you this was a first hand story. This is what he was telling me one day while we were having a drink. He said, "Bud I have two ways of interpreting that."
"The first is what seemed to be the case that he did know something about it and that if I was going to be informed about it that I have no "Need to know" about it. It was a very firm thing."
"On the other hand I got the idea that he perhaps didn't know either and felt that he should know and that this was a kind of blustering thing."
Of course we do have a man who blusters, as we know from his present day role. So, he said, "I never knew how to take it."
I said did you ever decide what you thought and he said, "No, I vacillated between two different interpretations." I find it very interesting that the scientific consultant on UFO phenomena after his tenure was told this by the Secretary of Defense.
Rumsfeld on Known and Unknown
http://www.presidentialufo.com/donald_rumsfeld.htm
Yeah, I’d ran across that Rumsfield thing before.
Thanks. Appreciate the details for the thread.
ABBREVIATED UFO PING LIST PING.
More to follow after this post.
Some interesting links on abductions . . . maybe some on demographics of same:
Alien demonology: the Christian roots of the malevolent extraterrestrial in UFO religions and abduction spiritualities
Christopher PartridgeE-mail The Corresponding Author
Department of Theology and Religious Studies, University College Chester, Parkgate Road, Chester, CH1 4BJ, UK
Available online 17 August 2004.
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Supernatural Support Groups: Who are the UFO Abductees and Ritual Abuse Survivors?
Christopher D. Bader
Assistant Professor
Department of Sociology &; Anthropology
Supernatural Support Groups: Who are the UFO Abductees and Ritual Abuse Survivors?
ABSTRACT
In the 1980s two different groups emerged that exhibited a strikingly similar combination of the quasi-religious and psychotherapeutic - UFO abductees and ritual abuse survivors. Both movements focused upon healing members from victimization they experienced at the hands of beings of often supernatural power. Further, both movements attempt to use techniques developed in psychotherapeutic circles, such as hypnosis, art therapy, and role-playing, to recover “repressed” memories at the hands of these abusers. This paper presents the results of surveys of fifty-five UFO abductees and fifty-one ritual abuse survivors. Both UFO abductees and ritual abuse survivors are compared to the general population in terms of their gender breakdown, age, race, marital status, education, and occupation. It is determined that the demographics of these two fledgling movements closely mirror those of other NRMs.
Supernatural Support Groups: Who are the UFO Abductees and Ritual Abuse Survivors?
In the 1980s two different movements emerged that exhibited a strikingly similar combination of the quasi-religious and psychotherapeutic - UFO abductees and ritual abuse survivors (Paley 1997). Both movements focused upon healing members from victimization they experienced at the hands of beings of often supernatural power. Further, both movements use techniques developed in psychotherapeutic circles, such as hypnosis, art therapy, and role-playing, to recover “repressed” memories at the hands of these abusers.
In the mid-1980s an increasing number of support groups appeared that were centered around so-called UFO abductions. UFO abductee support groups attempt to help people recover repressed memories of victimization at the hands of extraterrestrials. lso in the mid-1980s an increasing number of therapists and support groups focusing on “ritual abuse” began seeking clients/members. Ritual abuse support groups also attempt to recover repressed memories of past abuses. In this case, the abuse is believed to take place at the hands of secretive, underground, usually Satanic, cults. While much has been written about both of these movements, little of this research has focused on the members themselves.
Many sociological studies of flying saucer, or UFO, religious groups have appeared over the years. In fact, Festinger’s cognitive dissonance theory developed based upon observations of a small flying saucer cult (Festinger, Riecken, and Schachter, 1956). Although there are many case studies of UFO cults with origins in the beliefs of the contactee movement of the 1950s and 1960s (see for example: Balch 1995; Tumminia 1998, Tumminia and Kirkpatrick 1995; Wallis 1974) much less has been written about groups centered around UFO abductions (see for example: Bader 1999; Whitmore 1995)
Sociological research on the ritual abuse phenomenon has focused mainly upon critiques of the movement, such as surveys of ritual abuse therapists and/or critiques of their methods (Bottoms and Davis 1997; Mulhern 1991), discussions of the investigative techniques used by law enforcement (Crouch and Damphousse 1991; Hicks 1991a, 1991b) and the construction of a “moral panic” surrounding Satanism (Jenkins and Maier-Katkin 1991; Nathan 1991; Victor 1991, 1994). An extensive body of research on ritual abuse has been accumulated outside of sociology, mainly centered upon how to recognize ritual abuse and the symptoms reported by ritual abuse survivors (Driscoll and Wright 1991; Jonker and Jonker-Bakker 1997; Young et. al 1991; Young 1992) , the relationship between ritual abuse and multiple personality disorder (Brown 1986; Fraser 1990; Friesen 1991; Hector 1991; Ryder 1992) and discussions of types of abuses reported by survivors (Hudson 1990; Ryder 1992; Young 1992).
What has been lacking in research on both movements is sociological information on the “clients” themselves. Although sociological theory would provide hypotheses on the demographic characteristics of UFO abductees and ritual abuse survivors, we in fact, know relatively little about members of either movement. In fact, the study of so-called new age movements suffers from a dearth of basic demographic data (Lewis 1992; Mears and Ellison 2000).
http://www.nidsci.org/articles/abductees.php
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From pdf file at:
http://www.nidsci.org/pdf/nids_dayaftersurvey.pdf
TWO NIDS “Day After” Surveys on REsponse of the Public to Extraterrestrials: Comparison of a Nationwide Roper Poll with an Online Survey that Asked Identical Questions
In 1999 NIDS contracted the Roper organization to conduct a nationwide survey of opinion that focused on the response of the public to extraterrestrials. The Roper organization polled 1971 demographically balanced people and the results of that poll were published in 1999. As a comparative exercise, NIDS subsequently asked the identical questions via an online questionnaire. 2046 people who were demographically UNCONTROLLED submitted answers in the allotted time. There is widespread agreement that Internet surveys, especially conducted on specialty web sites, are wildly inaccurate in sampling public opinion. The purpose of this exercise was to evaluate the extent of the difference in attitudes to extra terrestrials between the public at large and the visitors to the NIDS website. The actual wording of the survey questions can be found in the pie-chart presentation. The complete statistics and some analysis of the 1999 Roper survey can be found at:
http://www.nidsci.org/news/roperdaysafter.html
Some predictable differences and some surprises emerged from this comparison:
* In response to question 1: “ETs landed and you could choose who should make first contact?” a huge majority (86%) of the online responders chose either scientists (42%) or a private organization that has planned for such a contingency (44%). In contrast, only 49% of the public at large chose the scientists (29%) or a private organization (20%). Fully 20% of the public at large preferred the military to make first contact, while 4% of online responders preferred the military.
* In response to the question regarding “What are UFOs?” a surprisingly high percentage of online responders answered “I don’t know” (41%), higher than the public at large (32%). Equally surprisingly, exactly 25% of both the public at large and the online responders answered that UFOs are alien spaceships. Given the assumption that the people who visit the NIDS web site might have a greater interest/knowledge of UFOs than the general public, it surprised us that such a high percentage of the web site visitors answered that they did not know what UFOs are. This may be attributed to open-mindedness. Further, since the words “UFO” and “alien” are almost interchangeable in most media treatments of this topic, it surprised us that such a low percentage (25%) of people in BOTH surveys thought UFOs were alien spaceships.
* In response to the question: “If I believed that an advanced extraterrestrial life form had been discovered, how would it change my life style?” 16% of Roper nationwide respondents answered “Who cares”, while predictably, 2% of NIDS web site online people answered “Who cares.”
* Question 4 asked how much the respondents trusted the US government to disseminate information about advanced extraterrestrial life if they discovered it. Both surveys indicated a large majority of respondents who did not trust the government. A combined 71% respondents to the Roper survey said that the United States government would classify the information, move to suppress civilian sources from obtaining knowledge, or both. A combined 74% of the NIDS website respondents said the same thing. There was a significant difference in the DEGREE of suspicion between the Roper respondents and the online visitors: only 23% of the Roper respondents said the government would classify AND suppress, while 47% of the NIDS web site respondents said the government would do both.
* A large majority (75%) of the NIDS online responders were “fully prepared to handle” undeniable evidence of the existence of advanced extraterrestrial life, while only 32% of the general public were that confident.
* 25% of the public at large thought that others would “totally freak out and panic” if undeniable evidence of extra terrestrial life were confirmed. Only 8% of the NIDS web site responders thought this. NIDS web site responders displayed either greater trust, greater confidence or greater complacency in their answers to these two questions than did the general public.
More such links and info to follow after this post. I won’t ping more than JoeProBono, however.
MAP OF 250 BLACK TRIANGLE REPORTED SIGHTINGS:
http://www.nidsci.org/news/images/ufo-map.jpg
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YEA! LOTS OF GRAPHS AND CHARTS OF UFO CASES FROM NIDS:
http://www.nidsci.org/pdf/ufostats.pdf
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UNEXPLAINED DEATHS OF 12 COWS IN OREGON:
http://www.nidsci.org/pdf/oregon.pdf
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PRELIMINARY REPORT:INVESTIGATION OF UFO SIGHTINGS NEAR GALLUP, NM
http://www.nidsci.org/pdf/gallup_investigation.pdf
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NATIONAL INSTITUTE FOR DISCOVERY SCIENCE.
FLEET OF UFOs FILMED IN INDIA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_CPNqEqHqI
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UFO Alien Ship, Kurdistan - Proved by NASA UFO Investigators
infrared begins about 1:15
2000X digital zoom about 2:06
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMGc59o-g0Q
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Amazing ufo sighting in phoenix
Smaller unit comes and joins larger circle of units . . . twice . . . over 20 min . . . evidently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsScWqzAslI
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GIANTS OF INDIA PART 3
WHICH is much the same as part 2
REPEATS SEQUENCE at least once
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQNlyzQVWws
GIANT HUMANOID SKELETON FOUND IN INDIA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4jdrPG0C94
several closer different looks at the India cluster of UFO’s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ri8_UGcnkk
ENERGY FROM THE VACUUM
“Energy From The Vacuum” Pt 1+2 Full Vids! Must Watch!
ATS THREAD:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread400583/pg1
OH, WELL . . . VIDEOS NOW NOT AVAILABLE . . . CURIOUS . . .
And Tom Bearden doesn’t seem to be what he’s cracked up to be.
Stillll . . . interesting Myth Buster’s stuff down thread.
The following might be a good website to keep a short-cut to:
UrbanSurvival offers daily analysis from the long wave/longwave economic perspective on today’s breaking news and economic developments. Since 1996, this site has expressed the view that traditional corporate business models would all hit the wall - some day - and that we’d have to move toward sustainable economics and green (more accurately evergreen business models. (Continued)
Today’s Lead Story On Our Free Daily Business News Update:
Santelli Nails it: Panic Optional (Or click here for the blog post)
Mirrored at: www.independencejournal.com (*click the UrbanSurvival feed link)
Peoplenomics - Each week our premium ($40/year) subscription service provides an in-depth news analysis of a key news story, financial trend, or predictive linguistic event.
Street Level Economics: Reports on the economy from folks like you and me.
New Economics Dictionary: This is a short business and investment wiki of words we’ve made up to describe the New Economy: jobjacking, billstones and much more.
Urban Survival Archives & Library: Since this site was created (circa 1996) we’ve accumulated a prodigious collection of back issues of our weekly report and periodic papers. This is in addition to the 300+ back reports available at our Peoplenomics.com web site.
Web Bot Project: Is this a time machine, for real? Judge for yourself and check out the breakthrough research of our colleagues at www.halfpasthuman.com.
PERHAPS EVEN A BETTER LINK TO KEEP A SHORT-CUT TO:
http://www.survivaltopics.com/
an interesting Orson Scott Card sci fi about war between DIMRATS and . . . patriots . . .
purported to be an ATS up-to-the-minute market data thread:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402519/pg1
C-SPAN LINK FOR UK BROWN & OTHUGA DIALOGUE ABOUT SETTING UP NEWO . . .
http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&products_id=284020-1
At about two hours and six minutes into the meeting Gordon Brown starts to talk about his conversations with Obama.. Please read the the portion of the meeting here.. I had to relisten to it a few times to actually catch everything.. then I typed out what was said to help better understand it all.
“How many conversations have you had with the president since he has assumed office?”
“Ive talked to the president but I do not want announce in advance of public announcements but my conversations with him will continue.”
“So you have been having conversations with the president?”
“Its always been the case that British leaders and American leaders work together”
“Are you going to replicate the Blair/Bush chemistry with Mr. Obama?”
(Everyone laughs)
“I feel that the relationship between America and Britain can be stronger because of the shared policies and the shared values by which we approach the international problems. Look... there are four major problems in the world at the moment that really have got to be dealt with. The first is the rebuilding ooorr...and actually the building of a global financial system. That hasn’t happened because national regulators rather than international supervision and actions happened.. so we’ve got to work on that together. Climate change and energy... we got to work on that together and we are looking forward to Copenhagen. And it is fortunate for Britain that president Obama shares our views about the need to tackle climate change. Then there are huge security issues Afghanistan Pakistan. Looking at them both together. Which is going to be a feature of future models. And obviously we have both made statements about we’re trying to do in Iraq for the future. The terrorist threat generally and the problems of of of of the middle east. Then you have these huge issues of inequality and poverty. I know President Obama is concerned about that if globalization, which is where we are, is going to work, it not only has to be open and flexible way and uh and uh and uh fre fre free trade has to be inclusive and sustainable. And these are the challenges we face together and challenges that we can work on with a great deal of success for the next period of time. I think it is also fortunate that the European leaders and American leadership can work together as well.”
“Indeed Prime Minister. What do you feel are the main implications for British foreign policy of the Obama emphasis on humanitarian aid, peace keeping, and the greater engagement with the United Nations, all very significant departures from the previous administration?”
“I think its even bigger that I think it is multilateralism that foreshadows the creation of a global society in out lifetime. And whats happening in our world is we have had global markets and global contact between different people through the ease of travel and the ease of instantaneous communication. But what we are actually doing is in addition to our national institutions and national identities and loyalties, we are also building a global society at the moment. President Obama’s determination to work multilaterally, his determination to deal with the issues of human rights like torture and his determination to bring a solution to problems like Afghanistan and Pakistan, and the middle east, two of the major problems that we face. I think makes us see that if we can rebuild the global institutions so they can actually do a job that solves some of these global challenges, and then in our generation we can build what people would describe as a global society.”
I watch a lot of news.. read a lot news.. but I hadn’t really heard much about Obama wanting to push globalization. So I did some searching around and found a few interesting things:
“In his August 28 speech accepting the Democratic nomination, Obama referred to globalization only once, saying he would propose incentives for U.S. companies to create jobs in the United States rather than overseas.”
www.america.gov...
“He said that globalization isn’t all bad, because it means “the world is smaller than it used to be” and “that’s something we should welcome.” The problem is that American employees aren’t on a level playing field with those in other countries, he said, and protections for workers aren’t enforced as vigorously as those for multi-national corporations.”
www.swamppolitics.com...
“Many are under the illusion that somehow Obama and the Democrats are going to save the American people and even the world. It is becoming increasingly clear that just like Bush, Obama has no intentions of protecting American sovereignty. Globalization has meant sacrificing self-sufficiency, sovereignty and independence for foreign dependency which can only lead to economic enslavement. Obama, like many past presidents, is nothing more then a puppet, a front man controlled by special interest groups, foreign banks and corporate powers who are pushing globalization and world government.”
www.infowars.com...
“At a time when globalization is the drumbeat being heard all around the world, Rich Lowry’s article about Obama’s trip couldn’t have been more accurate.
Obama’s globalization and socialization ideas are dangerous and will lead this country down a path never before seen in American history.
With the pressures of illegal immigration and the global economy, electing Obama as president would push us over the edge.”
www.nypost.com...
Continued below
MORE AT THE ATS THREAD LINK:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread439103/pg1
Interesting pic of a flock of starlings that look as a group like a giant bird of prey . . . sort of:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread439105/pg1
GLEN BECK: PREPARE FOR WORST
ATS THREAD WITH VIDEO LINK:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread438994/pg1
UFOS INDIA / LAZER FIRE U.K. / THREE DIAMONDS CALIFORNIA; U REAP WHAT U SOW!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02rVEAH3rF0
CNN Larry King on MUFON Texas Phoenix UFO Jan 18 2008 1of6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjHgyUOXhb4&feature=related
CNN Larry King on MUFON Texas Phoenix UFO Jan 18 2008 2of6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHSIgZZ5QBM
CNN Larry King on MUFON Texas Phoenix UFO Jan 18 2008 3of6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swKClXBsNWA
CNN Larry King on MUFON Texas Phoenix UFO Jan 18 2008 4of6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeKnB8aLI-Q
CNN Larry King on MUFON Texas Phoenix UFO Jan 18 2008 5of6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx6bKMuIKNE&feature=related
CNN Larry King on MUFON Texas Phoenix UFO Jan 18 2008 6of6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRIHCWGpKeQ
British Police Helicopter Chases UFO 6/20/2008. PART 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsh4yVL87wU&feature=related
British Police Helicopter Chases UFO 6/20/2008. PART 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8sNcZfY9Kg&feature=related
British Police Helicopter Chases UFO 6/20/2008. PART 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgzaTJBbGWg
British Police Helicopter Chases UFO 6/20/2008. PART 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqNahQVe4eA&feature=related
British Police Helicopter Chases UFO 6/20/2008. PART 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwdY8x2MJ-s&feature=related
more such to follow by and by.
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