Just don't start one until my new stainless steel knee heals up.
Posted on 01/31/2009 5:41:20 AM PST by Jim Noble
“And no, I don’t think it would result in Civil War.”
Do you believe the American people in general will allow themselves to be disarmed? Just wondering.
“If the Constitution is going to go down, I believe there will be a fight, and that the military will split. That’s all I’m saying.”
I believe you are right.
“First of all, I’d estimate that 90% of the masses, especially the Obama supporters, don’t have a clue what you’re saying when you talk about the “interpretation of the Supremacy clause to overturn the sovereignty of the People of the United States.”
Good point. Maybe someone can concisely put the “interpretation of the Supremacy clause to overturn the sovereignty of the People of the United States”
in a nutshell so those of the 90% reading this will have a clue.
Armed rebellion should ALWAYS be a last resort; resorted to only in the event all else should fail to stop tyranny.
Much more likely is that we start to see resistance to further sales of Treasuries. This would cause interest rates to rise (which started this week) and force the Fed into monetizing the debt (aka "printing money"). Once this process accelerates, .gov is going to have difficulty covering projected deficits, which would eventually cause cutbacks in various entitlements.
We have a huge underclass (probably around 15-20% of the country) concentrated in non-farm regions ie inner-cities, that have no job skills nor family support systems in which to fall back upon. They are totally dependent on welfare, food stamps, housing, etc. - when crunch time hits, different racial groups will turn on each other in competition for scarce resources.
This is when Hussein is going to have to call out the military to maintain social order in our inner-cities. The irony of course is that force will be applied against his very supporters. Gun types, if they're smart, will stay out of the fray (unless the disenfranchised welfare recipients start cruising your own neighborhoods).
Once the military is in place, it's merely a function to see if the working .gov is open to reasonable solutions to the problem. Chief of which is to stop transferring losses to taxpayers. If a conclusion is reached that they are too far gone to understand rationale options, I wouldn't be surprised if someone stepped in to handle the situation.
“... the civil wars in late Republican Rome, in which the factions were intermingled, and both sides were seeking to take control of the central authority.”
Yes, this is more likely where history will repeat itself and then the modern day bandito vandals, visigoths and huns will come to feed. Perhaps we will end up with a corporate feudalism if we are lucky enough to survive.
I think it’s going to a long while until one side ascertains that it is correct. The other side is already correct things like that don’t happen overnight and to apply “jackpot justice” to the situation has no meaning either.
nice post by the way
Sure.
The government at Washington was created by the sovereign - We the People of the United States. We delegated certain of Our sovereign powers to that government, and retained others.
The Constitution provides a mechanism for Us to change it, but it is purposely quite difficult, requiring 2/3 of Our representatives in Congress assembled, 2/3 of Our states' senators, (or 2/3 of Our delegates to a convention), PLUS 3/4 of Our legislatures in Our states.
The constitution also allows the President and 2/3 of the Senate to make and ratify treaties. The Constitution also says that such treaties "shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."
The problem arises out of the "any Thing in the Constitution notwithstanding".
A plain English reading of that suggests that the President and 2/3 of the Senate could make a treaty which would get around the amendment process and change "any Thing" in the Constitution.
This was a big issue in the 1940s and 1950s, after the ratification of the UN treaty, and Senator Bricker repeatedly introduced an amendment to the Constitution to fix it. Interestingly, the RATs and RINOs of the day were opposed to his amendment, but it gathered strength until a divided Supreme Court ruled in Reid v. Covert (1957) that treaties could not change the Constitution, nor could they legislate anything which would be unConstitutional if Congress passed it.
The times, however, have changed, as they say. I think today's court would overrule Reid v. Covert 5-4, and after 8 years of Obamunism that majority will likely be larger.
Now, if a treaty is made and ratified which violates the Constitution, and the Supreme Court supports that, a military officer could reasonably conclude that orders from the C-in-C to violate American citizens rights were legal and proper. A military officer could also, quite reasonably, conclude the reverse.
That, I think, is a formula for war.
That has been my thought also. They know the American people would never stand for it if done obviously, so they intend to attain their objective through the backdoor of ruining our economy. There are enough ignorant voters in this country for their plan to work, as evidenced by his campaign and election.
placemark
I am a resident of New York State and not a loser. There are other Freepers who are New Yorkers, do you paint all people that you meet with a broad brush?
No, I was painting the state of NY as a loser, not you and especially not conservatives who by their misfortune reside there. I live in SC where we see the NYers et. al. (liberals) relocating to places like Myrtle Beach and they bring their socialist ideas with them. Regulations, higher taxes, do gooder laws are what they are all about. I am sure you see more of it than I do.
Just don't start one until my new stainless steel knee heals up.
I think that it's practically a given that if the economy truly crashes and burns, (as in bank holidays, empty ATMs, stripped grocery stores etc), our cities will totally explode. That is what the elites truly fear about our economic demise. Urban mega-riots would be "game changers" in every way, leading to martial law, an "empergency powers act" and ugliness on the level of 1917-20 Russia, or the French Revolution.
In my new book, that type of unfolding scenario leads to a constitutional convention, which half of the states reject as fraudulent and bogus. This is the scenario where the military is split: "Yes, we swore to defend the constitution, but WHICH constitution?"
And that is when we could see urban eruption evolve into Civil War 2. 
Nope. I believe it'll end up in the courts for years and years, NRA backing for politicians who will write and likely pass a variety of laws to ignore the UN etc etc etc.
“I believe it’ll end up in the courts for years and years, NRA backing for politicians who will write and likely pass a variety of laws to ignore the UN etc etc etc.”
Ideally, that would be the response to any attempt to disarm us, with the ultimate ruling coming down in favor of the people and the 2nd Amendment. Ideally.
Good to know Darkwolf, you are imbedded intelligence in the heart of the enemy, MassHoleHdQtrs...do you per chance have any relatives that were Marblehead Patriots that formed the 1st Navy? I love that place and Fort Sewell.
I just hope one of the Zero’s minions don’t get it in their head to use your books as an instruction manual...
Worse than living in Boston (which I love except for the incredible ignorance of the libs who can't get beyond their little slogans when you try to discuss issues with them), I work in Cambridge--talk about the belly of the beast.
Who would that "someone" be?
This is the crux of our cultural war. To date the hatred has been lopsided as evidenced by Bush derangement syndrome and so forth. The right has not become angry. Conservatism has maintained an even temper. That is about to change.
With contemptuous leftists in charge of the hen house and their clear cut desire to shut down the right, the Constitution and the free enterprise system we will very soon begin seeing anger on the right. Conservative rage will confuse the left and force them to back pedal (as is likely) or it will embolden extremists on the left to complete their grab for power and attack the right forcefully.
This will result in the complete destruction of leftist politics in the US. I do not believe leftists can survive in this culture if they attempt to dismantle opposition.
The Obama presidency is the swan song of collectivism/progressivism in our nation. They simply cannot survive.
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