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How awful. I'll be interested to see autopsy results, if one is performed and the results made public.
Prayers for the family.
Posted on 12/16/2008 4:14:43 AM PST by ET(end tyranny)
I think the charge is that she had her rib broken doing combat training prior to the march. Those things do happen and it would be completely different from being kicked after passing out.
I spent 8 years in the Navy, 4 of those attached to the Marines. I seen rough training, I’ve seen people yelled at. I’ve seen people yelling things that in other contexts would be considered threats. I’ve never seen a sailor or marine kicked while they were down.
When someone goes down during a march, in every instance I’ve witnessed, fellow marines have rushed to their aid and a corpsman was called for. Aid is given and transport for further care is given if required.
The Marines are very sensitive to the health of their men (gender neutral). I would assume the Army is similar in this regard.
The grandmother “knowing” about a broken rib that punctured her heart is rather suspicious.
My interpretation is that she was involved in some sort of "unarmed combat" class/practice, in which she got the kick/broken-rib, prior to the road march.
If it was hand-to-hand combat, a kick to ribs is in the book.
Throw your opponent, hold the arm to expose the ribs and deliver the kicks.
Could very well have been accidentally harsh.
It’s very common to receive foreign badges on American soil.
German Schutzeneir (sp?), IIRC.
I got mine in Germany in 1989.
According to the article, she was kicked prior to the march. Also, since she is not in basic training (and the DIs aren't allowed to do that anymore), she wouldn't have been kicked by anyone in authority.
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Right. I understand that. She's an American citizen according to the story. How does an American soldier earn a foreign badge on American soil?
Forces often offer specific badges to partner nations.
Some are field proficiency.
Some are weapons proficiency.
You sign up and get selected for a two or three day course, where you learn and demonstrate proficiency, and you’re awarded the foreign badge.
If there are Germans stationed in the US (there are), they can offer the course locally. It’s more inter-service/country PR than anything really meaningful.
Most of the badges cannot be worn with the uniform, except on special occcasions. If we earned a German badge and went to a party in Germany, we’d wear the badge on the uniform (permission granted).
There are German soldiers (and others) stationed at Ft Huachuca. When they are offering the badge to their own soldiers, they open it up to the American soldiers at the post as a friendship builder.
Hubby got his (gold) Schützenschnur (marksmanship badge) the first summer we were in Germany. He was just a PFC. They also did a volksmarch with some German soldiers and I belive Dutch.
Also, since she is not in basic training (and the DIs aren’t allowed to do that anymore), she wouldn’t have been kicked by anyone in authority.
Not to imply that she was kicked by someone in authority, but although she was not in basic training any longer, she was in AIT, so she was still under the supervision of Drill SGTs.
Thanks for the clarification.
It is not that hot here this time of year. In fact it is quite cool.
Even though she was a 29 year-old PFC, she was not kicked by any DI's or Drill Sgts. She was kicked in a Combat Training session prior to the march. Again, I reiterate that if procedure had been followed, she should not have been cleared by medical to participate in the march if they KNEW that one of her ribs had punctured her heart. That's an incredibly serious and dangerous injury.
Also, in today's wusified, PC military, NO Drill Sgt., DI, TI (use whatever alphabet you want) should be touching, hitting, kicking, etc. ANY soldier, sailor, airman, marine, whatever!! That is strictly Verboten, today!!
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How awful. I'll be interested to see autopsy results, if one is performed and the results made public.
Prayers for the family.
Planned? If they haven't done it yet how does she know about the rib into the heart?
This doesn't make sense.
Having survived Marine boot camp (Parris Isalnd) during that era I can relate ... it was called 'thumping' back then.
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