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NEW! The Real George Washington on Nat Geo TV 9PM EST Tonight
National Geographic ^ | Nov 19, 2008 | Me

Posted on 11/19/2008 7:05:03 AM PST by Pharmboy

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To: SnarlinCubBear
Different area, different culture than that of Virginia. They were Congregationalists (Abigail’s father was a Congregationalist Minister) and they also attended a Unitarian Church. Both derived from Puritanism and not only did they not own slaves, but Adams was very much against slavery. Context, friend, context.

Slavery has been a part of civilization for as long as we have kept records...and the Africans are not unique (what they do represent, however, is the LAST large group held as slaves so they are fixed in our memory).

The bible tells of slaves, the "democratic" Greeks had slaves, the Romans had slaves, the ethnic designation "slav" derives from "slave."

Yes--slavery was (and in some parts of the world today still is) an abomination, but man's social evolution was slow and this need be recognized.

41 posted on 11/20/2008 7:27:26 AM PST by Pharmboy (BHO: making death and taxes yet MORE certain...)
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To: Cailleach

Watched it, deleted it.

Think we might go to Mount Vernon on Sat afternoon. We are picking our slab of granite for our kitchen counters in the morning...so if it doesn’t take too long.

On 2nd thought...I went to the website, they are open on Sundays...will go then and make a day of it. Much better plan.


42 posted on 11/20/2008 8:24:42 AM PST by Cailleach
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To: Cailleach

If you can, perhaps go Christmas Day. They open up areas that are not available during the year, and Christmas is special at Mount Vernon since that is when The General returned at war’s end. When I went a few Christmas’ ago, James Rees, the Exec Director was there...


43 posted on 11/20/2008 8:59:14 AM PST by Pharmboy (BHO: making death and taxes yet MORE certain...)
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To: Pharmboy

was it completely packed?


44 posted on 11/20/2008 9:57:15 AM PST by Cailleach
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To: Cailleach
Well, in order for us to get there at 9 AM Christmas morning, we opened most of the presents on Christmas Eve and saved a few big ones for the AM. We were there at 9:05 (my daughter and son-in-law lived in Alexandria at the time), and it was our family (about 7 of us made the trip) and another family from Georgia. There was a local newswoman there and she interviewed me...I was on the local DC station!

In other words, if you go early, you will be alone there!

45 posted on 11/20/2008 11:59:26 AM PST by Pharmboy (BHO: making death and taxes yet MORE certain...)
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To: Fudd Fan; Lancey Howard

Thank you both for your kind words. I believe I have finally calmed down.


46 posted on 11/20/2008 12:29:40 PM PST by Pharmboy (BHO: making death and taxes yet MORE certain...)
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To: Pharmboy

I didn’t have a chance to see the program but was afraid they would do a number on G. Washington.

The fact that most have no background on the history of the times he lived in and his life, work and service is part of the problem there is little appreciation for our history and freedom.


47 posted on 11/20/2008 12:55:15 PM PST by SoCalPol (In Defeat: Defiance - Churchill)
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To: SnarlinCubBear

John Adams was a great man. Much greater than he is given credit.

But OTOH, he didn’t ever directly put his life on the line.


48 posted on 11/20/2008 2:42:31 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Agreed, and I have no problem with the way G Washington lived his life - in context of the times. I just believe it was far more noble of the Adames to live as they did. And I’m quite sure there was much discussion about all this as they all spent time together forming our nation. And yet, the Adames did not compromise for the sake of their own comfort.


49 posted on 11/20/2008 4:58:29 PM PST by SnarlinCubBear (Obama - All ego and mouth - Dr. Thomas Sowell)
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To: the OlLine Rebel; SnarlinCubBear

While Adams never faced musket balls or cannon as The General did, by signing his name to the Declaration of Independence he did put his life on the line.


50 posted on 11/20/2008 5:54:47 PM PST by Pharmboy (BHO: making death and taxes yet MORE certain...)
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To: Pharmboy

Yes, indeed. But splitting hairs, he simply didn’t charge to 100 ft of the British line several times including Princeton. In addition to being “on” the field, George was a fighting general.


51 posted on 11/20/2008 7:52:42 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
You will not get an argument from me! I am a nut for The General, and am well aware that his physical courage was (literally) legendary. Adams was a small and sickly sort and bemoaned the fact that he could not help on the battlefield. He and Abigail had great respect for The General.

Always nice to hear from you...have a great Thanksgiving!

52 posted on 11/21/2008 5:33:23 AM PST by Pharmboy (BHO: making death and taxes yet MORE certain...)
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To: Pharmboy

I couldn’t watch the show. All I see in this documentary is the Alinski method.


53 posted on 11/25/2008 7:24:46 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

It was beyond dreadful, and old Saul would have been proud...you are right.


54 posted on 11/26/2008 4:26:34 AM PST by Pharmboy (BHO: making death and taxes yet MORE certain...)
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