Posted on 07/27/2008 7:52:45 AM PDT by cowboyway
They may have to. You crack me up every time you post something. Each one is funnier than the one before, and I’m at the point now where I can’t tell if your being deliberately funny or completely dense. Either way, don’t stop now. Certainly not on my account.
Anything that I can do to push you over the edge is my pleasure.
After all, you already live in a world that is a complete construct of your mind..........but you probably hear that all the time.
BTW, I think that its great that they let you have unlimited access to the interweb. You must be in a private institution.
You tend to be neither.
You are so very correct, my friend. :)
All we can do is try!
Deo Vindice!
Not legally, but they DID serve.....
So it's been claimed.
Thanks for your explanation. I don’t disagree with most of it.
I would think it is at least as likely that Weary was just told to go along. In any case, he had no legal or practical right to make hiw own decision either way, so could be definition not be a real volunteer.
Lincoln refused to recognize that a regional minority had the right to destroy the Union established by the “people of the United States,” not by the States, or even by the people of the states. The “people of the United States” was the only group with the legitimate power of dissolving the Union.
Lincoln denied human freedoms to nobody. The seceding states could have returned to the Union at any time. Prior to the full implementation of the Emancipation Proclamation they could have returned and kept their slaves (although Congress would have had some input on this).
During Lincoln’s conference with Stephens in 1865 he said that states could return to the Union as long as they accepted the freeing of the slaves and the national authority as it had existed before the war. What human freedoms or civil rights was such a position denying the people of those states?
No of that changes the contradiction between your tagline and Lincoln’s statement. He was willing to allow slavery. Period.
As far as “Lincoln refused to recognize that a regional minority had the right to destroy the Union established by the “people of the United States,”...that’s stupid on its face. The “Union” could not be established by the “people of the United States” because they did not belong to the “United States” when it was the people of the INDEPENDENT STATES established the Union. Your statement makes absolutely no sense.
Ahh, I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying the Lincoln was denying freedom to southerners who wished to secede.
Instead, you are claiming that his recognition of the constitutional right of slavery to exist where it was established constituted him “denying freedom to others.”
I would disagree. Lincoln created no new slaves, he merely adopted the position of most of the Founders that slavery should not be permitted to spread farther so that in the long run it would stew in its own juices and eventually fall apart. He allowed others their legal right to deny freedom, he did not practice the denial himself.
Ronald Reagan recognized that the people of eastern Europe and USSR were enslaved. He called publicly for their freeing and worked towards that eventual happy day. He did not, however, invade those countries to free the people.
Did his recognition that he had not legal or practical way to free those slaves mean that he was personally denying them their freedom?
The states were not Independent States when the Constitution and its Union was established. They were part of a previous Union, which was closed down in order to “establish a more perfect Union.”
LOL! And which union was that again... the Imperfect Union? Just stop. You are embarrassing yourself.
The states formed a Union under the Articles of Confederation in 1777. It continued in effect until 1789 when the government established under the Constitution started operations.
The Constitutional Convention was quite explicitly established to suggest modifications to the Articles that would help its government function more effectively. So at the time the Constitutional Convention was held, the states had not been independent for 10 years.
Uh... that wasn’t a union. It was a confederation. Words have meaning. And the way you used them in your previous posts to me do not apply to the last one. You can just make stuff up as you go along. Go to a liberal web site for that.
You tend to be only one; politically correct.
How are the Obama signs in your front yard holding up?
Ah how typical. The second to last refuge of the Southron scoundrel is accusing his opponent of being liberal. The fact that you have no evidence to support your claim is irrelevant. You never have evidence to support your claims.
The last refuge of the Southron scoundrel is accusing his opponent of being black. I expect that at any moment.
A lot of free white boys were probably just told to go along, also.
And using NS's logic concerning the Confederacy, since slavery was ruled illegal in the South after the war, then Weary never was slave.
(NS claims the South never seceded and the Confederacy never existed because a SCOTUS decision in 1869 ruled that secession was illegal. It's easy to understand why he's in a mental institute.)
Well at least now you know who has been vandalizing your yard...;’}
Let me point out that statements like this one are a big reason why the words 'logic' and 'cowboyway' don't often collide in the same sentence.
Lincoln was a centralist dictator wannabe and if he hadn't got shot he probably would have made himself king.
Lincoln set our once representative republic on the course to centralization. Are you happy with that? 545 people tell the other 300 million what to do all from their power base in DC. This is not what the Founders had in mind. They wrote extensively about the corruption that would exist under the type of government that we are subjected to today and they were right. The Federalists of that period built the notion of mixed government into the U.S. Constitution. In many details, they strove for a balance between the one president, the few Senators and the Representatives of the many. Something that is, unfortunately, lost and forgotten today is the pivotal role of the States in all this and you can blame Lincoln directly for that. The power and independent authority of the states were essential elements in the mixed, balanced government formed in 1787. The yankees destroyed that balance by rendering the states impotent and leaving them begging for the scrappings that the Great White Fathers in DC would dole out to them, based on their performing like circus animals.
BTW, your statement above isn't accurate. Virginia and New York made the right to withdraw from the union explicit in their acceptance of the Constitution. And in such an agreement between parties as is represented by the Constitution, a right claimed by one is allowed to all.
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