Posted on 07/17/2008 7:16:27 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark
Anyone who feels to need to join MENSA to reinforce their feelings about their own intelligence probably isn’t all that.
Where did you get the IQ score or 124 for Obama?
That’s the bottom line, which you said better than I did.
Saw all of them last winter. They are probably unavailable now.
If the LSAT is a good measure of intelligence, then computers surpassed humans in intellect back in the 1970’s.
The so-called logic puzzles on the LSAT don’t even require first-order logic inferences! They’re “constraint satisfaction problems”, which are not much more difficult than basic arithmetic for a computer to solve. You can even solve them with Excel!
The big difference between those puzzles and basic arithmetic is that you were taught how to solve the arithmetic problems in school.
You certainly don’t think that someone who can do a lot of arithmetic in his head is a genius, do you? But if no one ever taught you multiplication or long division, and you saw someone who figured out how to do it, you’d probably think they were smart.
If you want to measure someone’s intelligence, why not look at how well they play CHESS, something computers cannot do very well. I think there’s a reason why all these games that have been played by humans for hundreds of years are nearly impossible for modern machines to cope with.
The only thing that makes it hard for machines to solve LSAT puzzles is that they don’t understand English very well. From this we can infer that any decent poet is much more brilliant than the law student who got a perfect LSAT score!
But for those who are interested, there was a natural language project by Chris Manning and others at Stanford that attempted to make a program that could read and solve LSAT puzzles in English.
I have a special needs daughter whose IQ is around 90. I think she’ll be more successful in her job than her gifted brother and sister. My special needs daughter is an extremely hard worker. (She is very gifted at math, but she has speech, memory, and processing problems that bring her IQ down.)
My daughter has an overall IQ score that is low. She has brain damage that has affected her speech, memory, and processing speed. This basically means that she can read at grade level. She’s going into 6th grade.
However, in math she is awesome. She routinely scores 98% on math tests, and it says she is like performs at a high school level. She even gets answers to problems that she has never been taught. For example many years ago, when her older brother was learning negative numbers, she asked what they were. I just verbally told her. From that she could figure out addition and subtraction of negative numbers all on her own.
Anyway, everyone thinks my daughter should go to college because she is awesome at math. She’s just not great at reading/writing.
That’s exactly what I think about people who have glitches in their thought processes which cannot be measured by IQ.
It seems as strange to me as stamping our shoe size on our foreheads from the age of twelve and being known forever by that number.
Your daughter’s disability doesn’t appear to have affected her logic processing side of the brain. What may be more difficult might be emotions, feelings, and free floating ideas. Still she will be able to master them through familiarity and rote learning.
She stands to live a productive and positive future expecially with a cheerleader for a mom like you are - best wishes!!
Your daughter sounds like a true gift from God.
How wonderful that her designer would equip
her with a gift for math; a total compensation
for reading issues. God bless her. You’re a
great Mother, personally chosen by God to be
her advocate. What a privilege
God is good!
You are so right about the emotions and feelings side.
However, I think she is just behind in those areas, and she is growing. I think she won’t be mature enough to handle going away to college, even if she is able to handle it academically. We’re lucky to have good community colleges, and a state college in our area. She’ll be able to live at home, and go to college.
I would love to know what Charles Schwab’s IQ is. I know he has dyslexia, so I’m sure his IQ is low. However, he has done quite well for himself.
As far as Obama goes, I know he is smart. That’s the problem, he is smart and he has very dangerous ideas.
Bingo! The reason I didn’t get my results is
because of the information they wanted about me
BEFORE they emailed the results. Now I remember
why I don’t remember my test results. Sheesh!
Back when Bill Clinton got into the White House, the monthly Mensa magazine ran a cover of him with something to the effect of “at last, a Mensa-class President”
The response was overwhelmingly negative, as Bill was not then, nor to my knowledge is now a member of Mensa. (Same for Sharon Stone, btw)
Being a member of Mensa (and organizations with even higher scores) means you happened to do well on some testing. Nothing more, nothing less.
If you are interested, then by all means come to a local meeting. They are an interesting mix, all across the spectrum. Also friends and spouses who don’t happen to be members are also welcome.
Yup. Mensa seem to be ordinary and diverse people
who happen to score high on a certain type of test.
It’s impressive to me.
Mensa is a fine gathering place for the brilliant to share - just as we all enjoy our places of interest shared with others.
There is nothing superior about having a ‘superior’ intellect - it does not reflect one’s character, integrity, sense of fair play, honesty, and all those other challenges we weigh during our adult lives.
To open the door and use the IQ number to define oneself is a sad game - it means so little in terms of who you really are.
Ever tried to fold (or refold a County Map?). In one of my first jobs in the U.S. working for a county, and was requested by my boss to reorder a certain number of reprints of the current county map.
The form was provided and I filled in the number, taking it to the Supply/Stores department. I noticed also the printing and folding were to be accomplished at the local
Retarded Citizens Group workshop - and by the time I had walked into the Supply department I was feeling like a trick was being played on the newbie.
I decided to stay on the side of innocent and handed in the form - which was checked and the form moved along.
A week later I was told the maps were back printed and folded and they would be delivering them to the office where I was located. (I am by now thinking - here comes the joyous jolt for the new kid).....
Instead about five neatly labelled boxes were placed at the door and when I opened one box those maps were folded with a slick sharp edge on the folds you could cut a finger. Everyone box had the same revelation.
My boss laughed and told me that group was the only one in town who could be trusted to do the best job, and had never missed up on folding or map count - and they were relatively inexpensive.
Better still - he told me to visit the workshop some day and have a look at all the commercial stuff they have learned to put out - perfectly.
No - it’s never the IQ - it’s what you do with it that counts.
I do believe that BHO got into both Columbia & Harvard thanks to AA bumps in SAT & LSAT. I don't think that Affirmative Action beneficiaries are qualified to run the country (or anything else) solely on their academic credentials precisely because those credentials are tainted. What they do beyond their is what counts, and from what I have seen from the Obamas that ain't much.
A President needs to have an above-average IQ, but more importantly he/she has to be a good manager. US of A Inc is a big company, and needs a competent CEO.
I agree with your post.
Brilliance doesn’t guarantee clear thought - or the ability to delegate - which is paramount in a leader.
I cannot assess what Obama’s IQ actually buys him because he continues to present a different personality each time I see him.
Yes! You’re killin’ me.
This is a very delayed reply. Obama never published an article for Harvard Law Review? That changes everything. His IQ? My estimate has dropped 40 points to 90. He seems to get dumber everyday.
“The idiot was making silly faces for all to see on the split TV screen when Bush was speaking, and once the idiot walked over to Bush’s podium to show he was taller. Bush gave him a puzzled look like what are you doing over here - stupid.”
Yes, and that look was the moment I knew GW would win the Presidency. It was a look that said, “I think we know who the alpha male is here and it ain’t you.” The audience broke into guffaws. Thanks for bringing it all back for me.
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