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10 Books that Screwed Up The World
The List Universe ^ | May 14, 2008 | Jamie Frater

Posted on 05/16/2008 10:09:27 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode

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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

Algore’s “Earth In the Balance” started this whole crap with the Global Warming BS.


61 posted on 05/17/2008 9:21:27 AM PDT by dfwgator (Go Stars!)
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To: dfwgator

It was started long before then... Gore just turned into a religious cult.

Protecting the environment is a noble cause. Protecting the environment at the expense of the human species is evil.


62 posted on 05/17/2008 9:31:02 AM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: SlapHappyPappy

I bought this book when I lived in Germany 25ish years ago. I was trying understand how a population could follow such a mad man. I tried several times to read it but I have an extremely low tolerance for the ravings of a mad man. I have never finished it.


63 posted on 05/17/2008 9:34:39 AM PDT by Dutch Boy
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64 posted on 05/17/2008 9:34:40 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Profile updated Monday, April 28, 2008)
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To: weegee

“The Koran is a political tomb for theocratic rule and is still used as justification for jihad centuries later.

The Bible is a guide for living by God’s Law but does not rule out the existence of Man’s Law and governence.”

Still count all the lives and wealth lost do to the people who misread both and their revisions and they have not been w/o consequence.


65 posted on 05/17/2008 1:49:19 PM PDT by Keith Brown (Among the other evils being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised Machiavelli.)
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To: weegee

“The Koran is a political tomb for theocratic rule and is still used as justification for jihad centuries later.

The Bible is a guide for living by God’s Law but does not rule out the existence of Man’s Law and governence.”

Still count all the lives and wealth lost do to the people who misread both and their revisions and they have not been w/o consequence.


66 posted on 05/17/2008 1:49:19 PM PDT by Keith Brown (Among the other evils being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised Machiavelli.)
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To: weegee

“The Koran is a political tomb for theocratic rule and is still used as justification for jihad centuries later.

The Bible is a guide for living by God’s Law but does not rule out the existence of Man’s Law and governence.”

Still count all the lives and wealth lost do to the people who misread both and their revisions and they have not been w/o consequence.


67 posted on 05/17/2008 1:49:19 PM PDT by Keith Brown (Among the other evils being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised Machiavelli.)
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To: SlapHappyPappy
The negative influence of Mein Kampf is grossly overstated. In reality it had two main groups who purchased it at the time of Hitler’s rise to power. The first was those who already agreed with him, so the book had little influence on their beliefs, it simply reflected them. The second was primarily those trying to appear like good Germans who probably didn’t even bother to read much if any of it.

And the third, small group were the folks who thought Hitler would one day pose a threat and wanted to know what made him tick. Winston Churchill was most prominent among those, one of the few MPs who'd read Mein Kampf before Munich.

68 posted on 05/17/2008 2:39:01 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: ReignOfError

That small group is exactly why, if anything, Mein Kampf could have served the side of good, despite having such evil content.

Frankly Mein Kampf didn’t really sway the beliefs of many at all. Most of the so called Nazis I have seen that claim it changed their lives probably couldn’t finish a Mad Magazine, let alone that long piece of crap.


69 posted on 05/17/2008 3:33:31 PM PDT by SlapHappyPappy
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To: SlapHappyPappy
That small group is exactly why, if anything, Mein Kampf could have served the side of good, despite having such evil content.

Agreed. It's almost like a James Bond villain -- something compels the bad guys to tell the good guys their plans. All you have to do is pay attention.

Frankly Mein Kampf didn’t really sway the beliefs of many at all. Most of the so called Nazis I have seen that claim it changed their lives probably couldn’t finish a Mad Magazine, let alone that long piece of crap.

I've never read more than excerpts, and that was enough to satisfy my curiosity. I did read "The Turner Diaries," though, and anyone whose life was changed by that book must have had the intellectual depth of a puddle to begin with.

It combines the hackneyed "thriller" plot of a fourth-rate Tom Clancy wannabe with the ham-handed polemics of a fourth-rate Ayn Rand wannabe without diminishing the awfulness of either. But to be fair, the spelling and grammar are good, and I'm sure the late Mr. Pierce had very nice penmanship.

70 posted on 05/17/2008 4:00:10 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Oztrich Boy
Fortunately 17th England had an even greater political philosopher in John Locke

Hobbes and Locke set the stage for the security vs. liberty debate that continues, in much the same terms, to this day. Hobbes championed a strong government to maintain order, lest Man revert to a "state of Nature" in which life is "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short." For all the parts of Leviathan that are objectionable to modern sensibilities, Hobbes advanced the notion of a social contract and undercut "divine right" claims of monarchs.

Locke took the next step, and was the single greatest influence on the American Founders, creating the secular trinity of "life, liberty and property." Where Hobbes argued that the worst order was better than the best anarchy, and rulers should not be deposed, creating a state of war, Locke would argue that a tyrannical regime was already at war with its subjects, and thus had no legitimate claim to be the keeper of order and stability.

There's a straight line from there to "whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it".

71 posted on 05/17/2008 4:19:09 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
I found The Prince to be a spot on analysis of human behavior. I learned a lot.
72 posted on 05/17/2008 4:26:00 PM PDT by pilipo (I am officially a man without a country.)
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To: weegee
The Koran is a political tomb for theocratic rule and is still used as justification for jihad centuries later.

The Bible is a guide for living by God’s Law but does not rule out the existence of Man’s Law and governence.

The problem with Islam is that it never had its equivalent of the Enlightenment -- or, at least, it didn't stick. The separation of church and state, a cornerstone of Enlightenment philosophy, is alien to Islam, or at least to the Wahabbist interpretation of it; Mohammed meant for Islam, from the git-go, to be both a religious and a civil authority.

Theocracy is a potent epithet in the West; in much of the Muslim world, a theocracy is the assumed goal and the natural order of things.

73 posted on 05/17/2008 4:27:54 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: hosepipe
Both require an arrogant pedantic smart ass to promote them..

At your service. But I'll stick to my arrogant, wiseassed pedantry, and leave biological theory to biologists.

74 posted on 05/17/2008 4:29:40 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
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It's both strange and ironic that Behe's book is up there with Sanger's. Sanger was a thoroughly Darwinian persona. She was the girlfriend of H.G wells and Havelock Ellis. Both were Eugenists.... The inbred nature of all this is staggering.

Wow, I didn't know the extent of the inbred relationship amongst the Darwin fanatics - thanks for sharing the info.

Behe's book (Darwin's Black Box) sure seemed out of place with the rest of this guy's list. I guess Behe must've hit a sore nerve with the list's author.

75 posted on 05/17/2008 10:58:21 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: HerrBlucher
Re: 15

Its probably been around 10 years since I last read Darwin's Black Box - but I remember he definitely wasn't a Bible literalist. I believe he was a billion-year believer, but he was honest enough to note that there were biological processes (particularly at the microbiological level) that could not be explained by a random darwinian model. One example was the chapter titled 'Rube Goldberg in the Blood' that described nearly 30 unique reactions that had to take place for the blood clotting process to work (to clot not too fast, not too slow, and to avoid clotting the entire blood stream). All of these reactions had to have been developed at the same time -- but each individual reaction by itself was either useless, or fatal.

Again, one can always disagree about the conclusions drawn from these observations -- but to include this book in a list of books that 'screwed up the world' is inexplicable. Other than to presume the author of this list cannot stand to have his religion of darwinism questioned, because he know it is a religion that cannot stand up to physical observations.

76 posted on 05/17/2008 11:12:41 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: El Cid
Other than to presume the author of this list cannot stand to have his religion of darwinism questioned, because he know it is a religion that cannot stand up to physical observations

I think Darwinism was the beginning of the "Debate Is Over" cult, and now we see its wicked sister Global Warming.

77 posted on 05/17/2008 11:28:16 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (Asked on his deathbed why he was reading the bible, WC Fields replied "I'm looking for loopholes.")
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To: SeeSharp

That (your second link) was one of the most horrifying things I have ever read in my life. I actually never knew that.


78 posted on 05/17/2008 11:33:44 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
The author is an idiot for placing The Prince in with this other garbage. It was written as an aside both chronologically and thematically from Machiavelli's far more important work Discourses On The First Ten Books Of Livy and cannot be understood on its own except by the lazy and intellectually incompetent. It did not "screw the world up" but it did apparently overmatch the author, which says a great deal more about him than it does old Niccolo.
79 posted on 05/17/2008 11:40:20 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: RoadTest
Spock’s book is right up there with the Koran and Mein Kampf.

Apparently Margaret Mead was a big influence on Benjamin Spock. They were friends. Mead's daughter is considered to be the 'first Spock baby', for whatever reason. Time magazine called Mead 'mother of the year'. Mead was a dyke, by the way. Funny how all this demented stuff is inter-related in surprising ways.

80 posted on 05/18/2008 11:51:17 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Darwinism!)
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