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Davis' bicentennial eclipsed by Lincoln
The Kentucky Kernel ^ | 3/28/08 | Jill Laster

Posted on 03/28/2008 12:15:10 PM PDT by cowboyway

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To: Petronski

‘Fraid not...he’s too busy posturing...


201 posted on 04/02/2008 9:33:56 PM PDT by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: rockrr

If my ancestors had gone to war to preserve human slavery, I’d be resorting to idiotic shell games too.


202 posted on 04/02/2008 9:37:55 PM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: cowboyway
...peacefully, democratically and constitutionally secede from the United States in lawful state constitutional conventions of secession which were identical to the ratification conventions when they had joined the Union.


203 posted on 04/02/2008 9:41:01 PM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: Sherman Logan
Results 1 - 10 of about 2,000,000 for “jefferson davis”

Results 1 - 10 of about 8,530,000 for “abraham lincoln”

It doesn't surprise me that you would make something up.

Typical lying yankee.

The results bar in Google doesn't have quotations around the search text. Simply pathetic.

204 posted on 04/02/2008 11:21:37 PM PDT by cowboyway (Did I say that out loud?)
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To: Petronski

Cute.

Now, why don’t you and your little doggy scamper back over to the Britney Spears threads.............


205 posted on 04/02/2008 11:24:53 PM PDT by cowboyway (Did I say that out loud?)
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To: cowboyway

How could I set aside a thread filled with your laughable jackass ideas?


206 posted on 04/02/2008 11:59:22 PM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: cowboyway
The results bar in Google doesn't have quotations around the search text.

What blather are you posting now?

207 posted on 04/03/2008 12:00:45 AM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: Petronski
How could I set aside a thread filled with your laughable jackass ideas?

So far you haven't offered a single rebuttal.

Oh, oh! I can tell you why!

You don't have any.................

208 posted on 04/03/2008 2:46:02 AM PDT by cowboyway (Did I say that out loud?)
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To: cowboyway
Southern reason for secession: States rights.

Sure. What state's right was being denied?

northern reason for initiating hostilities: Politics.

The North did not initiate hostilities, the South did.

Up till now, the South has never started a war...

Other than 1861.

...but we've shown that we won't back down, even in the face of overwhelming odds. We're still like that, so, tread lightly.

Sure. The South gonna rise again. Someday. Maybe. Sooner or later.

Like I've told you before, you yankees should be thanking us for remaining in the union, otherwise, the north would be flying the Hammer & Sickle.

ROTFLMAO!!!! You protected us from the commies but still gave us Clinton and Carter and LBJ. Thanks a lot.

210 posted on 04/03/2008 4:05:57 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: cowboyway
That statement is almost as ridiculous as your statement that the South never seceded and that there never was a Confederacy((((!!))))

Ridiculous to you, perhaps. But then again your grasp of historical fact has always appeared to be a bit tenuous.

It's hard to imagine how you could top the above statement but you've somehow managed to do so.

You must be using Good Ol' Google or some such website. If I google Abraham Lincoln I get 8,790,000 hits. If I google Jefferson Davis I get 2,160,000. Of course I can google my name and get 12,600 hits, so I wouldn't place too much emphasis on those stats.

I said a 'de facto' acquittal, which it was. Nolle prosequi was a nice tidy way for the corrupt yankee government to extricate themselves from the tangled web they had woven and to not have to face the court of world opinion with a public trial.

In your imagination, perhaps. Legally nolle prosequi implies neither guilt or acquittal.

Nolle prosequi was a nice tidy way for the corrupt yankee government to extricate themselves from the tangled web they had woven and to not have to face the court of world opinion with a public trial.

I dount that world opinion gave a damn about Davis' fate one way or the other.

It has been shown on this thread (see post #66) that Lincoln purposely violated agreements with SC in order to commence hostilities.

Again, in your dreams. Any agreement South Carolina may have had with Buchanan had been violated by them long before Lincoln was inaugurated.

211 posted on 04/03/2008 4:15:47 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: cowboyway
A typical offensive attack to try to deflect the question of why you can't just 'let it go'.

One might ask the same of you. But as I've said many times in the past, I'm on sights like this because for people like you supporting your 'heritage' usually involves lying about mine. Someone's got to correct you.

Yeah. Does this mean that you're done?

Nope. You've caught up to me. I need to stay ahead.

212 posted on 04/03/2008 4:17:44 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: cowboyway
History is written by the victors. The victors always see themselves as the 'good guys'

The myths are always written by the losers. The losers always see themselves as the 'victims'.

Do you want to discuss the "Tariff of Abominations" in the 1820's and/or the Nullification Crisis of the 1830's?

Sure. Let 'er rip.

There you go. Economics.

There you go. Myths.

213 posted on 04/03/2008 4:37:04 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Sherman Logan
The Commission gave the Union an opportunity to surrender before fighting even started.

Bin Laden made a point of doing that to us, too. Someday descendents of Al Qaeda veterans will sing praises about his videotaped peacemaking efforts.

214 posted on 04/03/2008 4:49:03 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: cowboyway
Do you want to discuss the "Tariff of Abominations" in the 1820's and/or the Nullification Crisis of the 1830's?

What the hell does that have to do with Abe Lincoln?

Davis was never even tried for treason so I don't think that the likes of you can convict him here or anywhere else.

If those damn Yankees were as evil as you portray, Davis would have been shot on sight. Lincoln's policy was reconciliation and reconstruction, not revenge.

These special interests would have suffered serious financial loss if a low tariff Confederate States of America were allowed to peacefully, democratically and constitutionally secede from the United States

Funny how economically, the North prospered during the war without revenue from the South while the southern economy collapsed without Northern markets to sell to.

There was nothing Constitutional about unilateral secession. It was treason and rebellion done for the benftit of a few.

215 posted on 04/03/2008 5:22:30 AM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: cowboyway
Freeing the slaves was not the reason Lincln invaded the South. If Lincoln and the yankees had been so self-righteous about freeing the slaves,

No one ever said it was except guys like you who like to set up straw men.

The Union didn't go to war to end slavery, but the Confederates did go to war to continue the expansion of slavery.

And like in most wars, after the first battles, objectives begin to change. By 1865, the Union was fighting to end slavery, but that is not what they started out to do. That was just a happy by product of a sad chapter.

216 posted on 04/03/2008 5:30:05 AM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: piasa

...And cite comparisons of google search results as some sort of popularity (or relevancy) poll...


217 posted on 04/03/2008 5:36:56 AM PDT by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: cowboyway

Resorting to personal abuse?

That’s a sure sign you’ve lost the argument and you know it.


218 posted on 04/03/2008 6:46:57 AM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: Sherman Logan
There was no particular reason slavery couldn't have gone on being economically profitable in the South, at least if they changed some of their farming practices that essentially mined the soil.

That was not the issue as much as demographics were. The slave population grew far faster than the white population. By 1860, several of the deep South states had larger slave than free populations. That was fine -- to a point, as long as the demand for slaves in newly settled areas continued. The delemia of the slave economy was two fold. First, minus expansion, with a rapidly increasing supply of slaves and a deminishing demand as the plantation system reached its geographical limits, the value of slaves would plumet destroying the largest single source of wealth in the deep south especially.

Secondly, slavery contained within its current limits would have over another generation or so placed the ever smaller white population in very great risk from a hostile black population. Expansion was also a safety valve that kept the slave populations within controllable limits.

Lincoln and the Republican party's opposition to the further expansion of slavery is what drove the south into secession. They saw their lives and fortunes at risk if slavery were to be contained.

Tough to grow cotton in Nebraska.

True, but the gold, silver and copper mines of the west would have been worked by slaves instead of free men if the Slaveocracy had their way with expansion.

219 posted on 04/03/2008 7:53:08 AM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: cowboyway
Of 182 replies on this thread, non-sequitur has posted 49 replies; over 26%.

Of 218 replies at this point, you've posted 54 of them.

220 posted on 04/03/2008 9:32:48 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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