Posted on 01/24/2008 9:46:42 AM PST by davidlachnicht
I’m thinking the same way both of you are. It is unthinkable to vote for any of these characters.
I am also searching and I think I have found an organization of conservatives in my state who are getting things done. They are pushing the legislature to do things that would not happen if they weren’t pushing. Led by a man who ran for governor and lost a few years ago. I also have a fine congressman running this next November, so I can do some things to support him. My positive efforts are toward local candidates and issues, my fervent support and donations are for them. They are also not getting any notice in the press around here.
I am considering other things, but my intention now is to vote for Fred in the primary. With things so mixed up it is a mistake to take anything for certain this time around. All these Republicans scare me.
Just a for instance, I saw a headline that McCain said today he was the one to take on Hillary. Baloney! Where has he been the last six years when she’s been a senator? No one takes her on, except Rick Santorum did a few years ago. If McCain was up to it, he would have done it before now.
You may very well be right, Fiero. I'm so confused and flummoxed that I'd be voting by wild guess anyway, and that's childish. My personal voting rule has always been that if I don't know who/what I'm voting for, I decline that issue or candidate. I leave it to wiser heads like yours. I'm out of my league.
On the contrary, I should be thanking you for voicing how I felt. Frankly, with all the Mitt love I’m seeing around here, I had been reluctant to say how I actually felt about all this.
It literally makes me sick to my stomach to see what we are left to choose from in an election that SHOULD be a cakewalk. Now, we’re guaranteed to lose because our party let fear lead it astray.
I only watched the California debacle from afar, so I didn’t get too involved with it.
Here in NY, we’re way past the point of even having a conservative as an option. That’s just one of the reasons that I’ve just made an offer on a dream house in upstate South Carolina, so I can get away from it all. :)
That is very good advice. I will pay closer attention to closer Republicans and make campaign contributions accordingly.
I am considering other things, but my intention now is to vote for Fred in the primary. With things so mixed up it is a mistake to take anything for certain this time around.
God knows! If the presidential "hanging chads" purgatory of 2000 November proved anything, it was that. Yipes.
Those words give me goose-bumps.
Truer words were never written.
I think you’re on the right track. Of course, all that is a lost cause in my current state and I’m not familiar enough with my new home to be able to get that involved. Maybe for next election season. Getting involved there is the ONLY reason I’m not getting rid of my membership in the Republican party.
I think I’m going to vote for Fred too. All the others scare me too. It’s not often in my life that I’m not sure (for better or for worse) what to do, but this is one of those times.
Politicalmom, if you’re still reading, IMHO, this is an interesting subject to ping the pinglist with. How bad is the pain in their stomach and what do they really think they’re going to do? Some time has passed here and we’ve taken a look at the candidates again. Some have chosen Romney, which I understand from a pragmatic standpoint. For those who feel, like me, that Romney may just be unsupportable, what is on their minds?
I’m also wondering if there are other local candidates out there worthy of support. There have to be some more Bobby Jindals somewhere. My state had a David and Goliath matchup in 2006 who won with very little money coming in. If there is no one in your local area, there might be someone in another state. I’m going to be looking for such things.
Indianapolis is going to have a special election for Julia Carson’s seat, and there may be something interesting there. They’ve just elected a Republican mayor after two terms of a Democrat, and the Republican was a long shot. It should be within the next couple of months.
“I’m so confused and flummoxed that I’d be voting by wild guess anyway,”
Pretty much describes most every vote ever cast for a human being. There is simply no way to know what is inside a candidate’s head and what his true intentions are or if he can even make them happen. All we can do is make our best guess. That is our part to do.
Maybe for you, but not for me. Most of the time I vote with hopeful confidence that I've made the right choice. That's the point -- voting by wild guess is no way to vote at all. In local races, where I haven't been able to research the details and am in doubt, I skip voting on that one because I'd be wild-guessing it.
That's the point. I thought YOU were voting because you knew what you were voting for. You're voting against, and that's okay as far as it goes, but there are consequences, as we are suffering now. For me, this time, I don't know either from which and it's become a wild guess. Like I say, I'm out of my league and leave it to "wiser" heads like yours.
There is your main flaw. Speaking for myself, I don't think as I do with the motivation of "showing" anybody. That's where you so deeply misunderstand the dynamics at work.
I stand by my characterization of the MBA exec-style approach. I know you want to "focus" on the abstract terms of "win-tie" and "win-lose," but I'll pass that game. Conservatism is rooted in simple concepts and the plain fact of the matter is that settling for "win-tie" has debilitated the Republican party and made it a farce of an "alternative" to voters looking for an alternative to Liberalism. It is destroying itself from within when it keeps to this tack. Clearly.
I want you to think about that a little more, if you care to exercise your brain. There is no hurry, there is always freepmail. ... I picked you out because you have passion, I like a powerful cannon. Now if I could just get you aimed where you will have a good effect...
Now, see, there is the very quality I despise in Romney, Hugh Hewitt, and the MBA attitude that I was talking about that I note in the execs I've seen destroy and weaken companies. Well-meaning and sincere though it is, it shows an utter lack of humility or grace. That is a red flag that I have learned is very worthwhile to honor.
Let me clear up something:
Vote for FRED at your PRIMARIES,
in hopes that it’ll make a difference at Convention.
Ultimately, show up and vote against Hilary come November, hopefully for a candidate we’ve pushed to the right a little more than before.
Has any presidential candidate ever dropped out, then got back in ?
That makes two of us! I've always liked him.
It’s still Fred for me. I hope he’s still on the ballot.
Lack of a motivated base, failure to bring in the swing voters... IIRC, issues aside that is the essential reason Mondale in 84 and Dukakis in 88 sank.
IDK, I don’t think so, but this day and age with the field we’re left with, I don’t care too much. Fred was following bad advice throwing in the towel just after the open caucuses and primaries.. Should have at least waited till after Florida or Super Tuesday...
Another vote for the Hillary/McCain Ticket
Very true. So, grab a chair and behold what’s about to happen in 2008. It’s unfortunate, but it’s also reality.
Well, I ‘early voted’ today, and I did vote for FRED.
I had decided that this election was going to be the kind I hate: simply going to the polls and voting against the candidate I don’t like. In this GOP primary, the “don’t likes” were everyone except Fred.
When the election rolls around, I’ll again be voting against whomever offends me the most (either Clinton or Obama, as even they are worse than McCain).
It’s sad.
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