Posted on 10/23/2007 5:53:57 AM PDT by js1138
Then start a new thread on it, end of story. Like I said, you had the last word.
FWI, I recommended a dialog with the women, not a deletion.
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I brought evidence of ‘my claims’ which were not claims but observations that are easy to reach, in fact many people have made the similar observations. Pointed out that dlr has not established why his opinion of someone has any value, or why he should be taken seriously. And then asked him to expound on his personal military principle, which is to at the end ‘have a plan to kill everyone he meets’.
I as many of us, actually served in active duty military, and I do not know of any personal ‘military principle’ as such. It sounds like something he fantasied out of the mind of a young child who lives in the imaginary world of movies. I doubt if this character will ever wear the uniform of any branch of military service. He might 'lead special interest groups ping lists in issues like creationism, armed citizenry (defense of the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms), global warming/environmentalism and homeschooling
I could go on with more but that enough, for he has made my point. He has yet once again made the issue about dlr. And when it gets to hot, he plays the hillary victim card, then behind the scenes elements cover for for him.
And to one of his public profiles, like I said ‘wow’. Sometimes things are not a joke, even if presented as such.
dlr: I also intend to train and equip myself to keep the military principle “be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.” I enjoy learning about weapons of all kinds, and want to train to be proficient in weapons from fixed-blade such as the sword or knife, to firearms, to my bare hands. I am certified by the state to carry a concealed deadly weapon, which is currently a .357 magnum
And when a outfit as big as this covers for a punk-ass clown like dlr, it is a waste of time to be here.
The U.S. government has its hand in every pie, and it takes so much out of the system one is practically forced to come hat in hand to get some of it back directly or in the form of tax breaks or exemptions; which is why every industry lobbies the government.
U.S. support for Science is mostly in the form of grants to University Scientists, and support for education. We recently added 20,000 high skill immigration visas to the cap because U.S. Universities were not producing enough Scientists and Engineers.
You’ll win few enemies decrying government spending, but we spend very little on Science research comparatively, most of it is done in the private sector where I work. But that research of course is focused directly upon how we are going to make a drug to treat or cure a disease; basic research is done in the Universities and they get grants for specific research into specific fields to ‘get to the bottom’ of something, more than to find a drug to treat a disease.
So what government funding do you think needs to be cut?
Is it Molecular Evolution that you want cut? Nobody doing any research into the pattern of convergence and divergence in nested hierarchies of interrelatedness in DNA and matching it so closely to the fossil record. Is that your intent, get rid of all that embarrassing data?
Or is it High School Biology class that needs to be cut. All Biology? Is that enough for you, or would you go after Geology also. Not much support for a universal flood in contemporary Geology. Astrology and their million light year distances and a universe capable of making planets and stars through utilization of natural and predictable forces and that this most likely explains our star and our planet, are they safe? Why would they be when their ‘crime’ is the same, teaching that the universe is capable through utilization of natural and predictable forces to mold life into many divergent species, and that this most likely explains our present state.
When no Science is taught in any school that receives government funding, THEN will you be content? When no research Scientist gets any grants to put the U.S.A. once again at the cutting edge of scientific research, THEN will you be content?
I must ask you again, because you did not understand me the first time- Do not quote me unless you are actually quoting me. I believe the original quote was “some have said that ERV’s are the ‘smoking gun’ of common descent”. Please use that, the original, or refrain from quoting me without actually quoting me.
But you actually got the gist of my quote accurate this time, besides the extraneous addition of ‘evolutionists’, and for that you would receive some sort of accolades, except that once again you have quoted me without actually quoting me. Due to your propensity to misrepresent the arguments of others, misquote, and your defense of quote mining I must insist that you quote me as fully and accurately as possible or to refrain from doing so. Any attempt to ‘paraphrase’ or ‘restate’ my argument except in direct conversation with me and for the purposes of clarity should also not be done unless the relevant quote by me is also included. Thanks! :)
But nothing in Biological data is inherently either conservative or liberal; but if it was which system agrees with....
a) individuals acting in their own interest can utilize change to produce incredible results.
b) nothing complex can possibly happen unless organized by a central authority.
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Seems to me that Capitalists would agree with a) and Communists would agree with b). Amazingly the early Commies thought that Natural Selection was ideologically Capitalistic and Bourgeoisie and held out against Scientific observation and advancement for ideological reasons until they decided they no longer wanted to be left with ideological purity and Scientific ignorance. When will you make the same assessment?
Why that’s the easiest question you have ever posed to me, Allmendream. Answer A) is the obvious choice. RANDOM mutation plus NATURAL selection is no match for INDIVIDUALS ACTING in their OWN INTEREST when it comes to producing INCREDIBLE results.
With the exception of national defense issues, I want the government completely out of the science business. I want free market science, not socialist science. And, as I have stated many times, if the government wishes to receive the benefits of science, they can purchase those benefits from the private sector just like everyone else. We have way too many scientists on the government dole who are paid to generate mountains of worthless data. Most of them have way too much time on their hands, as evidenced by all the phony impending disasters they promote in order to give a false sense of importance to their careers, inflate their fragile egos, not to mention using these phony disasters to scare the public/congress into inflating their already bloated budgets. Free market science would take care of these problems in a jiffy, and it would force all would-be scientific orthodoxies to fend for themselves in the free market of competing scientific ideas.
Allmendream, while you were responsible for directing my attention to ERVs with your “smoking gun” comment, I have found that the Evos routinely refer to ERVs as the “smoking gun” of common descent. So, unless otherwise noted, if I use such a phrase I am referring to the Evos generally. Also, I refuse to quote you every time I refer to your comments. If I misinterpret something you have said, it should be easy enough for you to clear up. But if I put something in actual quotation marks, I will not rely on memory...I will make sure that anything in quotation marks is directly taken from your previous comments.
No need to say ‘allmendream says that Evolutionists say...’, if by your definition I am an Evolutionist (am I?), you need only say Evolutionists say (or claim) that ERV’s are the ‘smoking gun’ of common descent. Surely you can say that under your own authority without reference to me and putting the word ‘Evolutionist’ in my mouth, where it would scarcely be found save for with accompanying scare quotes.
Thank you very much for your courtesy in this matter.
As I recall, I said it once, got it wrong (I applied your comment to pseudogenes instead of ERVs...honest mistake), and then I publically retracted it. And as far as I can tell, the comment you’re referring to didn’t mention your name once. You just assumed I was referring to you.
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