The Debate Continues

FreeRepublic ^ | 10/23/2007 | Dave Lone Ranger

[js1138]

You be sure to give me a ring just as soon as you have actual, testable definitions of degeneration, information, complexity, and gene whatever.

[js1138]

History has been falsifying elements of evolutionary quite busily for decades.

What part of descent with modification has changed since 1859? What part of common descent?

[js1138]

But when a belief remains the same despite differing interpretations and changes, that’s demonstrating religious faith, not scientific fact.

Let's see how that works. Bruno was burned to death for speculating that there might be other inhabited planets orbiting stars other than the sun. Copernicus speculated that the earth might orbit the sun, but his proposed orbits were circular and didn't quite fit the data.

Galileo conducted experiments on gravity but never quite reconciled the planetary orbits with the data. Kepler reconciled the orbits by suggesting they were elliptical, but never quite defined gravity.

Newton found an excellent formula for gravity and proposed laws of motion that we still use today in engineering. But he failed to reconcile the planetary orbits with the data.

Einstein reconciled the orbits of the planets, but failed to reconcile gravity with quantum mechanics.

Then there is the small matter of the Voyager anomaly.

My question is this: since the belief that the earth orbits the sun has remained the same since Copernicus despite differing interpretations and changes to the theory of gravity, is heliocentrism a religious belief and not a scientific fact?

[GodGunsGuts]

==You be sure to give me a ring just as soon as you have actual, testable definitions of degeneration, information, complexity, and gene whatever.

I’m currently working on that, as well as a rather novel (at least I think its novel) theory about ERVs...you will be one of the first to hear about both of them when I am finished.

[Coyoteman]

I’m currently working on that, as well as a rather novel (at least I think its novel) theory about ERVs...you will be one of the first to hear about both of them when I am finished.

Don't tell us. In terms of establishing science, FR counts for less than squat.

Submit your idea instead to a peer reviewed science journal. Get back to us with the results of your submission.

Here are some suggestions (short list):

American Journal of Human Biology
American Journal of Human Genetics
American Journal of Physical Anthropology
The Anatomical Record Part A
Annals of Human Biology
Annals of Human Genetics
Annual Review of Genomics and Human Genetics
Anthropological Science
Anthropologie
L' Anthropologie
Archaeometry
Behavior Genetics
Behavioral Ecology and Sociobiology
Biological Psychology
Biology and Philosophy
BMC Evolutionary Biology
Current Anthropology
Current Biology
Economics and Human Biology
Ethnic and Racial Studies
European Journal of Human Genetics
Evolution and Human Behavior
Evolutionary Anthropology
Forensic Science International
Gene
Genetical Research
Genetics
Genome Research
Heredity
Homo
Human Biology
Human Heredity
Human Genetics
Human Genomics
Human Molecular Genetics
Human Mutation
International Journal of Osteoarchaeology
Journal of Anthropological Archaeology
Journal of Archaeological Science
Journal of Biosocial Science
Journal of Ethnic and Migration Studies
Journal of Human Evolution
Journal of Human Genetics
Journal of Molecular Evolution
Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute
Molecular Biology and Evolution
Molecular Phylogenetics and Evolution
Nature
Nature Genetics
Nature Reviews Genetics
PLoS Biology
PLoS Genetics
Proceedings of The Royal Society: Biological Sciences
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences
Russian Journal of Genetics
Science
Trends in Genetics

[GodGunsGuts]

Gee, thanks Wiley. I don’t pretend to be a scientist, nor do I have the training and credentials to publish in scientific journals. Having said that, I wouldn’t publish in Evo journals even if I could. I would much rather publish in a Creation Science journal and force the Evos to read about it there.

[Coyoteman]

Gee, thanks Wiley. I don’t pretend to be a scientist, nor do I have the training and credentials to publish in scientific journals. Having said that, I wouldn’t publish in Evo journals even if I could. I would much rather publish in a Creation Science journal and force the Evos to read about it there.

Fine. But don't call it science.

Be honest and call it was it really is: religious belief pretending to be science.

[valkyry1]

Be honest and call it was it really is: religious belief pretending to be science

Just like evolutionary beliefs then. The deeper you dig, the more 'evolutionary science' becomes like a religion. And then evolutionary thought is more a religious belief that masquerades as a science.

The evolutionists have their own ivory towers, power structures, temples and indoctrination centers.

And if the vast majority of evolutionists gave more time and energy to their science, than their personal crusades against 'creationism', it might give them just a little more credibility toward their science.

Here, this link to a partial dialog between evolutionary scientist Professor Ghadiri and a evolutionary crusader illustrates my point to some small degree.

Cliff Walker interviews Dr. M. Reza Ghadiri

[GodGunsGuts]

==Be honest and call it was it really is: religious belief pretending to be science.

Actually, the shoe is on the other foot. Be honest and acknowledge that the Temple of Darwin, its natural selection god, and Charles Darwin (its holey prophet), and its holey book of origins...all of it, is religious belief masquerading as science.

[valkyry1]

Dave, Dave. No I pointed what I think many a person would see, you tend to provoke some measure of that, and you bring it on yourself.

But you are correct, I do not want to help you to make this thread among the hundreds of others, a thread about the ego of dlr.

Since you are essentially clueless, I will give you at least one clue.

Claiming how many ‘ping lists you manage’ is not a status symbol or resume enhancer, not on the internet, or ‘out in the real world', not when I was your age, and not today.

When I was your age (21) I was active duty enlisted , and I would have been put out to Iraq or Afghanistan, and you are now at a community college with no danger of being drafted.

Now, I do see on your myspace profile page a picture of 4 vivacious healthy attractive appealing young women who suggest they are your fans. I suggest you start a dialog with them.

You will have the last word, about dlr at least.

Regards

[GodGunsGuts]

==The deeper you dig, the more ‘evolutionary science’ becomes like a religion.

Couldn’t agree more. And it relies on the force of government for its funding and to enforce its religious dogmas. Evolution’s priviledged position is the closest we have ever come to a theocracy (read: Darwinocracy). The sooner we sever government funding to Darwinist fundies the better.

[GodGunsGuts]

I say you two make peace with each other and call it a day.

Dave, do you forgive Valkyryl?

Valkyryl, do you forgive Dave?

Now, that’s better :o)

[valkyry1]

Okay :o)

good night from this late to get home worker

[valkyry1]

The sooner we sever government funding to Darwinist fundies the better

Man I hear that, they can take their collection plate/s somewhere else, perhaps to their peers ;)

[BritExPatInFla]

“I’m not smarter than they are. I just have more flexibility to reinterpret their data.”

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Ah, reinterpretation, the sincerist form of...dishonesty.

[GodGunsGuts]

==Ah, reinterpretation, the sincerist form of...dishonesty.

Oh, I don’t know about that. Conservatives a forced to reinterpret liberal data all the time.