Posted on 06/30/2007 1:33:10 PM PDT by hardback
Thanks.
It's so easy for Freepers to be swayed by reactionary articles these days.
I can't speak for anyone else here, but two years ago I'd have thought that the NAU and SPP folks were like those who believe in UFOs, too. But the European Union's Constitution - which I read in it entirety before it was voted down by the individual nations - was a helluva frightening document. I kept thinking to myself that if the Europeans allowed that to happen they were fools, and I comforted myself that it could never happen here.
But then I read the CFR's report "Building a North American Community." It is uncomfortably similar to the EU. Though some here like to contend that the CFR takes in all points of view and is just a think tank, it does, in fact, produce task force reports that are intended as "concrete policy recommendations." CFR members are like a who's who of American politics - both sides of the aisle.
Then there's little things, like the SPP and the super highway and this amnesty bill with its Z visas that - taken one at a time might not be so bad - but as a whole start to add up to the North American Community as envisioned by CFR.
I don't know that there's an effort underway to push through the NAU, but there's enough evidence for me that I don't consider opposition to it to be reactionary or mob mentality. And discussing it, I think, hardly qualifies one to be placed in the same category as MUFON.
Space ships from another planet are one kind of conspiracy - corruption among people with political power is another kind altogether.
If the New Deal and Great Society didn't teach us anything else, they should have taught us that if you give the government a little it will take the rest.
Really... all of them for months? Full-time? Wow.
the bill funds the following;
1)huge contracts to construction firms
2)major Contracts to big education (larger than military/industrial complex)
3) huge Contracts to US high tech, telecon, etc firms/
North American Investment Fund Act (Introduced in Senate) S 3622 ISSEC. 4. PROJECTS FUNDED.
(a) In General- Grants shall be awarded from the Fund for projects to carry out the purposes described in section 3, including projects--
(1) to construct roads in Mexico to facilitate trade between Mexico and Canada, and Mexico and the United States;
(2) to encourage the development and improve the quality of primary, secondary, and post-secondary education throughout Mexico;
(3) to expand the deployment of communications and broadband infrastructure throughout Mexico, with emphasis on rural and underserved areas; and
(4) to expand job training and workforce development for high-growth industries in Mexico.
(b) Project Selection-
(1) IN GENERAL- The agreement described in section 2 shall include guidelines for determining which projects will receive financial assistance from the Fund.
(2) PRIORITY- In selecting grantees to carry out projects described in subsection (a)(1), priority should be given to projects in the interior and southern regions of Mexico that connect to more developed markets in the United States and Canada.
I can't see how this agreement could be even close to a Constitution.
Say what you like, but I find it TRULY AMAZING that a few people with the knowledge to know better simply cannot believe their leaders would do such a thing.
Time to pull your head out of the sand Billy
and its hard to believe you chose to believe the ruling class instead of your own “lying eyes”..spp.gov
And those in the Midwest (Texas, Oklahoma, KC, Iowa) get to be the giunea pigs for the grand ‘experiment’ of Mexican trucks coming over the borders!
It's not, but it might be a step. How long did it take for the EU to get a constitution? 30 years? 40 years? I don't remember exactly.
What we're talking about is setting up an authority that provides for uniform ways of doing things between three nations. The idea is that these three nations have different systems, different ... laws ... that control trade, that control security procedures, that control the safety of products.
If we make these different systems uniform, everyone prospers.
My concern is that as we start making our laws uniform with Mexico's or Canada's and we start building highways that break down barriers to trade ... borders, if you will ;-) ... then the next logical step is that the power of the authority grows.
Isn't that what government agencies do? Grow?
I don't believe it is unrealistic at all to look at the steps being taken now to integrate our three nations for the purposes of "security" and "trade" and see that in 10, 15 or 20 years we're talking about dissolving sovereignty.
What happens when Canada decides that it can no longer be part of the partnership because America's second amendment rights threaten its security? Do we lose all the money from trade, or do we make concessions to Canada involving people's rights to carry concealed weapons?
It's a hypothetical, but I don't think it's unrealisitic.
No ... there's no NAU Constitution now and the partnership isn't that.
That's funny in a very sad way. We can't educate our own kids, and we want to export our failed ed system to Mexico ?
Well, that's one way to wipe out any job competition ...
I think that Robert A. Pastor has done most of the responding to criticism. The report makes clear that there is no connection to government and contains opinions of the authors.
It did state that our nations would not lose their sovereignty and it acknowledged Mexico's myriad problems.
It did emphasize merging customs and customs regulations to the extent of having a single North American border. There was a lot more to the document, of course.
Fine. But IMO first clean up the corrupt, criminal ruling class of Mexico and give Mexicans a chance at home -- it's the shame of North America (if not the World) that Mexico is a third-world cesspool of ruling class thugs and criminal corruption.
Meanwhile, the governments of all three countries have people working "to increase security and enhance prosperity among the United States, Canada and Mexico through greater cooperation and information sharing. . . ."
Personally I do not want a cesspool of government criminal corruption being part of a community with the United States of America.
Call me a nut, nativist, bigot, racist, xenophobe.. please!
Uniform laws are not on the face of it wicked, as heretical as that may sound to conspiracy theorists. Interpol, for example, has served largely to good purpose.
That's what this plan is attempting as far as I understand it. Does it go too far? Don't know, I would have to study it much further to be an expert. But the things I have read people complaining about don't so far seem to have a whole lot of merit IMO. Very far from a move toward one-world government.
It is extremely far from a Constiution...as white is to black.
The CFR report is "concrete policy recommendation" and many of our elected officials and their advisors are members of CFR.
It did state that our nations would not lose their sovereignty
Oh, then everything's fine ... That's what it says, but what does it do?
If you're unconcerned about it, fine. That's your business. But it's not nearly that far.
Uniform laws, breaking down borders, integrating everything from the food we eat to the energy we use - on the face of it, it starts to get pretty wicked.
You weren`t supposed to take a picture of the secret sign. Thank goodness you missed the Black helicopters parked outside of Lubbock
What do you mean exactly by that?
What do we do about CORNYN and COLEMAN who clearly have forgotten their oaths and their responsibilities to their constituents?
What other hijinks are going on besides this, the DREAM Act, and the HOPE Act?
I am almost ready to drop my Republican registration - I am appalled at what this party's leaders are doing. Who else is at this point?
Sorry Limbaugh don’t have time point out this crap.. How is building a road to transport goods faster and cheaper between Mexico/US/Canada bad??
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