Posted on 06/08/2007 5:42:01 AM PDT by BubbaJunebug
A lot of what this guy writes is a little over the top. For instance, they’re probably not going to call the FBI or seize a guys truck over a shotgun being in the gun rack, but he will get arrested. And if there is a fight at school, they’re not going to call the swat team. The school resource officer will probably detain them until other officers come and arrest him though.
Things have changed, and not really for the better. I’m a public defender and one of the things I have to do is juvenile court. It’s standard procedure at our schools to call the police and have kids charged with battery if there is a fight. They call the police over a lot of stuff they would have handled in school back when I was a kid. And not only are they always having kids arrested, but they are always getting the courts involved in other ways by filing what are called Family in Need of Services cases or Child in Need of Services cases, depending on what state you live in. They’ll do this over small disciplinary problems that do not rise to the level of criminal conduct, truancy problems, or what they call “family dysfunction.” Really what is often happening is they are trying to get the kids they don’t like shipped off to a facility somewhere, trying to get rid of them. Either that or they want to have kids sent to therapists and be under court order to take any medication prescribed. So many of our kids are doped up on all sorts of ADHD meds or other meds that turn them into zombies, often at the behest of the schools. I’m working in a smaller town now than I grew up in and a really high percentage of the kids here will have involvement with the courts by the time they turn eighteen, much of it for stupid things that never would have made it to court thirty years ago or more.
And what the original poster said about spanking kids is not too far off the mark. People are arrested for disciplining their kids now and what a lot of parents get in trouble for today seems like pretty darned normal disciplinary action to me, stuff that happened all the time when I was a kid that people would have never gotten arrested for. We even have a case pending in a local court now where a vice principle from a junior high has been charged with a felony battery because he gave a kid swats and the kid ended up with bruises on his backside. This vice principle is a really big guy, a former athlete. I’m sure he had no idea he spanked the kid as hard as he did. They don’t give these guys “spanking lessons.” This isn’t my case, but I’ve talked with both the prosecutor and the defense attorney about it. I’ve seen the pictures. The kid did get his butt tanned pretty good, but I think this vice principle just didn’t know his own strength. The prosecutor has offered him six years in prison! That is insane. This guy has never been in trouble for anything, never even been accused of any sort of abuse of a child. I was just arguing with the prosecutor about this case the other day. He’s a fool and I hope the jury shuts him down and he comes out looking like the idiot he is because I know this fellow won’t take that offer. He’s not going to prison over this and he can’t really even take any criminal conviction, especially a felony, or his career will be over.
1970’s...Disco and hippes, I think I was better off growing up in the 80’s.
There was a Gun Free School Zones act passed by the feds in 1990. A kid got busted at school with a concealed handgun in Texas and ended up being charged under the federal act. That act was found to be unconstitutional by the US Supreme Court in U.S. v. Lopez, but the reasoning behind that ruling was basically that the Commerce Clause didn’t give the feds authority to pass that act. State statutes banning guns on school property have withstood constitutional challenges. I don’t know about laws against having guns within a certain distance of schools, but probably every state now has laws against having firearms on school property. Of course most also have laws against having guns in government buildings, at banks, bars, etc. I’m no expert on gun laws by any means (and I have no time to do any research today) but I believe these types of state laws making it illegal to possess guns in certain places tend to withstand constitutional challenges, especially when it comes to schools. Laws restricting the right to have a weapon near a school might not withstand a constitutional challenge, but state laws making it an offense to have a firearm on school property are for the most part going to be “bulletproof.”
“1970’s...Disco and hippes, I think I was better off growing up in the 80’s.”
LOL I was a kid in the ‘70s and a teenager in the early half of the ‘80’s.
When I look back, the 70’s seem dark and dreary and the 80’s seem bright and vibrant.
We did get Star Wars out of the 70’s, though and punk rock so I guess it wasn’t a total waste. ;)
2007: "This is 107.3, a Clear Channel Station. Here is the latest by Avril Lavigne. The same song we played an hour ago. And you can hear it again after our next 25 minute long commercial break!"
It must suuck to live where you live. There are at least three classic rock stations in range of my car radio in Freeport, IL, and at least one of them is owned by Clear Channel.
That 1973 scenario sounds like my school in 1983.
Me too except the principal had a rule that boys and girls couldn’t play together until 4th grade. Still don’t quite get that one but I sure remember my first paddling. Unfortunately I was not like Johnny and the wippings did no good, my grade school actually “invented” detention as a way to punish me because I was the master at writing sentences during recess in the office and my ass was like cow hide by the time I was in 5th grade.
I did usually end up good friends with the kids who I called out or who called me out to fight though. I think that’s something we should still let our kids do without making it a federal case.
“I did usually end up good friends with the kids who I called out or who called me out to fight though. I think that’s something we should still let our kids do without making it a federal case.”
When I was in grade school, if two boys got in a fight, the principal would make them put on big clumsy boxing gloves and duke it out on the outside basketball court. All the other kids would gather round and watch two boys with gloves as big as their heads try to fight. It was usually quite funny. It ended with a hand-shake every time.
I used to like to take the top off of M-80’s and pack the rest of the tube with bottle rocket power and then use a heated up knife to “weld” the top back on. They made quite a hyge bang!!
That’s what a trunk is for, he used poor judgement IMHO. I put my gun in the glove box, park across the street from the school and walk in to pick him up. I hate being unarmed in that situation but it’s better that pain in the ass than the one Bubba would give me at night while we share a jail cell.
In the mid early 80’s when I was in junior high, a troublemaker had pissed off the shop teacher one too many times...he had the kid bend over infront of the window, butt facing him, he opened the window, took a 2x4, smacked him in the rear and he went sailing out the window....it was a ground floor window, but still dramatic.
The kid never made a peep again and neither did the rest of us for the remainder of the year....
We got way more work done, spent less time being distracted or taken off focus and oddly, we really respected and appreciated the teacher cracking down on someone who was runing the experience for the rest of us....
And this was in a liberal kumbaya prep school!!!
If you’re someone who normally carries a weapon, you are probably used to thinking about what you have to do when you go somewhere you aren’t supposed to have a gun. You also probably know where you aren’t supposed to go with a gun and be planning things so that you don’t get yourself in trouble. That wasn’t the situation in this case. He never carried a gun for protection or anything like that. He had taken this one to a gunsmith earlier in the day and just tossed it in his backseat after he got an estimate for some work and then went on about his business. It wasn’t even loaded and he didn’t have any bullets or clips. He wasn’t even thinking about the gun in his backseat when went to pick up his cousin. He didn’t go in the school with it. He was probably a good eighty or a hundred yards from the school building in his parked car, but it was still school property. He was negligent I suppose, but he certainly wasn’t out trying to do anything criminal.
Looks like were about the same age. 70’s gave uss Star Wars and Jaws...But also The Brady Bunch (well Marsha was ok)
OM! ROFL!
I love it!
But this needs additional info:
Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from the 4th of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, blows up a red ant bed.
1973- Ants die.
2006- BATF, Homeland Security, FBI *and Environmental Protection Agency* called. Johnny charged with domestic terrorism, FBI investigates parents, siblings removed from home, computers confiscated, Johnny’s Dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again. *Johnny is also charged by the EPA and PETA with cruelty to animals, destroying protected wildlife, and destroying the ecosystem.*
LOL, yes, and my mother alone could make her own scenarios, too!
Mom goes to ballet class from the edge of Baltimore to the center city, alone on a trolley.
1946: Mom gets to ballet class.
2007: Mom’s parents are arrested for neglect of young child: crossing dangerous city streets, surrounded by strangers who will do who knows what with no guardian or even friend, etc.
All the bans on guns have done is make sure the psychos who do bring them to kill people will be able to walk around for hours and reload while the sissy cops hide outside and let more people die.
Eddie wouldn’t WEAR any damn stinkin’ pads and helmets in 1973.
We had freedom then!
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