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Posted on 03/23/2007 11:44:31 AM PDT by Eleutheria5

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To: Lee'sGhost

What's holding back your novel?


81 posted on 03/23/2007 1:31:24 PM PDT by squarebarb
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To: Lee'sGhost

Nah, I didn't mean vanity press. That's like training wheels.


82 posted on 03/23/2007 1:31:30 PM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Eleutheria5
I just said on your announcement thread that today (really) I was thinking of starting a Free Republic Writer's Club. Now that you have, I will not have to.

Please add me to your ping list.

83 posted on 03/23/2007 1:31:33 PM PDT by carton253 (Not enough space to express how I truly feel.)
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To: carton253; Eleutheria5

Is a pinglist a person who pingles?


84 posted on 03/23/2007 1:32:52 PM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: JamesP81

This is great. Add me. I am currently working on an alternative fiction novel, so I would love to be a part of the thread.


85 posted on 03/23/2007 1:34:21 PM PDT by carton253 (Not enough space to express how I truly feel.)
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To: Lee'sGhost

Good for you!


86 posted on 03/23/2007 1:37:08 PM PDT by carton253 (Not enough space to express how I truly feel.)
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To: squarebarb

Okay... we are 73 posts in and you have so much to add. I can't wait to read more.


87 posted on 03/23/2007 1:38:49 PM PDT by carton253 (Not enough space to express how I truly feel.)
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To: carton253

Are you serious? Someone above was just saying advice usually isn't welcome so I felt my advice function shriveling up.


88 posted on 03/23/2007 1:39:58 PM PDT by squarebarb
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To: Lee'sGhost
I just noticed your tag line. That is a fine piece of writing. Succinct and oh, so true.
89 posted on 03/23/2007 1:40:16 PM PDT by carton253 (Not enough space to express how I truly feel.)
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To: Oberon

I am writing a novel, so any advice will always be welcome. I am saying that now (for in the future).


90 posted on 03/23/2007 1:41:14 PM PDT by carton253 (Not enough space to express how I truly feel.)
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To: squarebarb
I was being very serious. I posted to you on the another thread saying I would start the writer's thread because I believe that one of the best things that can happen during the writing process is critique and advice from someone who is willing to help the author succeed. That is what I pictured the thread evolving into in.

So, your advice function should not shrink but increase. Writers need other writers to help hone their craft. (That's my opinion) It's what the Bible calls iron sharpening iron.

91 posted on 03/23/2007 1:44:58 PM PDT by carton253 (Not enough space to express how I truly feel.)
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To: Oberon

I'm not sure. Is pingling legal?


92 posted on 03/23/2007 1:48:22 PM PDT by carton253 (Not enough space to express how I truly feel.)
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To: carton253

Thanks! Great quote. Which book is it from?

I thought I had contacted everyone on the other thread, but I guess I missed you. Glad you are here.

GOPpoet should be along presently. I Freepmailed him.


93 posted on 03/23/2007 1:50:54 PM PDT by squarebarb
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To: squarebarb

And now off to feed horses. Will check in tomorrow. So glad this thread happened.


94 posted on 03/23/2007 1:52:18 PM PDT by squarebarb
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To: carton253; squarebarb
My advice to you, carton, is to begin your novel with the end in mind.

Which is not to say that you should know exactly how it goes from beginning to end before you start; rather, it just means that you should understand your story arc. Unless you find that it really works for you, I strongly advise you NOT to start writing at Chapter 1 and proceed sequentially to the end. Rather, I suggest you write the important story scenes, then fill in the sequences between them.

Writing a novel is a form of storytelling. I'm a big fan of the old dramatic structure used by the Greek playwrights. You start by introducing characters and establishing the primary conflict, the initiation of which is the dividing line between Acts I and II. Act II is the rising action, escalating conflict to a crisis...which marks the division between Act II and Act III. Act III is resolution and denoument. If it's a tragedy, everyone dies; if it's a comedy, everyone gets married and/or otherwise lives happily ever after. So if your novel has run out of steam by chapter 4, I suggest that you take a couple of clean sheets of paper and sketch out A. Who the characters are, B. What the major conflict is, and C. What the resolution will be. From there you can ask other questions, like "how with the protagonist be changed by the conflict?" and "what interesting secondary characters could help complicate things in Act II?"

Once you've got that much done, you should have some ideas as to the answers. When you've got at least some halfway answers, take some more paper and write a high-level outline of your story from beginning to end.

Yes, I know, as hedonistic experiences go, outlining really sucks, I mean in an epic kind of way. But bite the bullet and do it, because it will show you where your story's going. Then when you run out of steam once again, in Chapter 7 this time, you'll know where to go. Just check your map (the outline) and head off in the proper direction.

There. I hope that was helpful. It was grossly simplified and there are many other ways to write a story, and many complications you can add to story structure, but those are the basics I use and they have stood me in good stead.

95 posted on 03/23/2007 2:01:50 PM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: carton253
Is pingling legal?

Yes, but it's heavily regulated and taxed, at least in North Carolina.

It helps if you're a native speaker of pinglish.

96 posted on 03/23/2007 2:03:08 PM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: squarebarb

Proverbs 27:17.


97 posted on 03/23/2007 2:03:12 PM PDT by carton253 (Not enough space to express how I truly feel.)
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To: Oberon
You want some advice?

I'm never annoyed by advice. Or at least not enough that I don't want it.
98 posted on 03/23/2007 2:08:16 PM PDT by JamesP81 (Eph 6:12)
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To: JamesP81
You know what's embarrassing?

I just gave all the advice I had intended for you, to someone else.

See Post 95.

Hopefully they'll put my advice to you to good use, and may even give it to you if you ask nicely. =]

99 posted on 03/23/2007 2:11:34 PM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Oberon
Thank you for this post. I was not the one who wrote you that I had run out of steam by Chapter Four. In fact, I have 1500 pages written and know where I am going. The outline is complete and I know the beginning, middle, and ending.

My novel is an alternative history novel, so my characters are real people - known and beloved by a great many people. The hard part is staying true to them and writing a realistic history while being entertaining at the same time.

What you have posted is very useful to any writer. I am hoping that you will continue to give advice and critiques.

Now I'm talking only for me - I used to hate to be critiqued because I took it so personally. But going back to college taught me the importance of the critique in digging out better prose and sharpening the scene, etc. A fresh pair of eyes or a simple question can make me see my writing in a brand new light - usually for the better.

So, I do hope this thread grows and we don't tire of it. I hope FReepers like you will continue to offer advice to all of us. I for one can benefit from it.

I want to make my living by writing novels.

100 posted on 03/23/2007 2:17:56 PM PDT by carton253 (Not enough space to express how I truly feel.)
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