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The New FR Poll
February 09, 2007 | Processing Please Hold

Posted on 02/09/2007 5:18:36 PM PST by processing please hold

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To: Jim Robinson
That may well have been the premise Jim, but there are a lot of us who are getting awfully tired of going onto threads on the various candidates and are being verbally slammed or stomped into the ground by various supporters or opponents if we make any kind of comment at all. It's gotten to the point where I can't find out anything about the various candidates because you're fighting off insults because you haven't gotten on the bandwagon of one candidate or the other.

I'm still fuming about Harriet Meirs. I never got to hear one word come out of her mouth. I never got to decide for myself whether she was a good nominee or not because the pundit gods decided they knew what was best for me. We're just trading one form of intellectual tyranny for another. I am going to make my decision when I have sufficient facts to make that decision. It will be long before November 2008, but it sure won't be February of 2007 and I'm tired of being called a RINO or stupid because I refuse to jump on someone's bandwagon. It may have been meant as a joke, but there are plenty of us who are going into lurker mode because we are sick of being called dumb by people who DON'T mean it as a joke.

Sorry about the rant, but the thing I love best about this place is the intellectual stimulation and the ability to discuss, argue and pour over things so we can make good decisions as citizens.

101 posted on 02/10/2007 4:07:07 AM PST by McGavin999 (I need a new tag line)
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To: processing please hold
Are you a Republican Conservative and vote your values or vote for a rino

I see, and you're the one who is going to decide for me just who is a RINO, right? If I choose anyone other than YOUR candidate, that makes me a RINO and your are the only PURE conservative, right?

102 posted on 02/10/2007 4:15:32 AM PST by McGavin999 (I need a new tag line)
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To: McGavin999
That was the premise. Who would you vote for in the general election if it's Hillary vs a real deal conservative? It's a no brainer.

And who's asking you to jump on a bandwagon early? My objection is there are too many people already on a bandwagon early and, unfortunately, it's not a pro-life conservative wagon. The Harriet Meiers appointment was a near fiasco that turned out well because pro-life conservatives demanded someone with a known conservative track record. I hope and pray we do as well this time. Why should we settle for less than a known pro-life conservative in the primary? Doesn't make sense to me.
103 posted on 02/10/2007 4:29:43 AM PST by Jim Robinson ("Electable" gave us Gerald Ford and Bob Dole. Voting for the right-wing kook gave us Reagan. A.C.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Because there may be pro life people who are NOT known but would be better and more effective if we found out they were pro life.

One of the things that makes me angry is that we have been fighting this battle for 30 years and babies are STILL being slaughtered, that means we're not fighting it the right way. We finally manage to get someone on SCOTUS who will help to overturn Roe v Wade and then what? It gets turned back to the states and the fight starts all over again as people in a non-abortion state fight to keep their daughters from obtaining an abortion in a pro-abortion state.

How about we switch tactics and spend as much energy in teaching people just what it is they are flushing down the toilet? How about we expend a little of that energy teaching people the moral consequences of what they are doing. How about making it socially unacceptable to kill your baby instead of a fashionable right of passage?

If choosing a president who was pro-life would eliminate abortion, why wasn't abortion eliminated during Reagan's presidency?

I want Roe v Wade overturned because there is NO constitution "right" to an abortion, but overturning Roe v Wade is not going to eliminate the problem, it's going going to slow it down and change the battlefield.

104 posted on 02/10/2007 4:47:05 AM PST by McGavin999 (I need a new tag line)
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To: McGavin999

Are you unhappy with Roberts and Alito? I'm not. Hoping we get another just like them and that's why I don't want to settle for anyone less than a nominee with a known pro-life record. If we cannot fight for a known conservative in the primary, when CAN we fight? Kinda late if we wait for the general and are faced with a known social liberal vs Hillary.


105 posted on 02/10/2007 5:03:41 AM PST by Jim Robinson ("Electable" gave us Gerald Ford and Bob Dole. Voting for the right-wing kook gave us Reagan. A.C.)
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To: Jim Robinson
No, I'm not a bit unhappy with Alito and Roberts, but I wasn't even a bit pleased with Sandra Day O'Connor. Remember who appointed her?

I'm perfectly willing to fight for a conservative in the primary, once I determin for MYSELF who that conservative is.

The thing about Harriet Meirs is I never got to hear ONE WORD out of her own mouth, no one. I was TOLD by pundits what she believed and how she would have voted. Sounds just like the liberal press doesn't it? Telling me who is good and who is bad so I don't have to bother my little head making those decisions all on my own?

Well sorry, I'm not going to be told who is and who is not conservative. I'll do my own investigating and make my own decisions, and if this site is no longer a place where we get to discuss, but has become a place where things are decided for us and we're supposed to be good little soldiers and fall in behind the current fancy, then I'd like to know about that now.

106 posted on 02/10/2007 5:15:47 AM PST by McGavin999 (I need a new tag line)
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To: McGavin999
The point is she was completely unknown. Why settle for an unknown commodity for such an important nomination?

In Rudy's case, "unknown" is not the problem. He has a solid track record of being pro choice, anti family values, anti gun. He's a "known" admitted and proud of it social liberal. Just exactly opposite of what we're looking for.
107 posted on 02/10/2007 5:24:26 AM PST by Jim Robinson ("Electable" gave us Gerald Ford and Bob Dole. Voting for the right-wing kook gave us Reagan. A.C.)
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To: Enosh

The better question is why post a poll where the 1st, third, and fourth choices are indistinguishable? Voting for Hillary, voting third party, staying at home, and undecided or too dumb to vote are the same choice.


108 posted on 02/10/2007 5:35:57 AM PST by DugwayDuke (A patriot will cast their vote in the manner most likely to deny power to democrats.)
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To: Jim Robinson
So what if she was unknown? What if she would have been the one vote who would have overturned R v W? We'll never know because we never got to hear and decide for ourselves, it was decided FOR us. I'm pretty sure RR was assured that SDO was pro-life and look how that turned out.

OK, let's do it this way. Let's take all known names out of it and pretend we are dealing with a whole different group of people. What if God gave you the once in a lifetime opportunity to look into two alternate futures. In one future, there is the conservative dream candidate and he appoints another SDO to the bench and in the other alternate future, there is a not so dream candidate but he/she appoints someone to the bench who says "I can find no right to dispose of your child, a living being, in the Constitution of the United States of America". Which one do you vote for?

109 posted on 02/10/2007 5:47:45 AM PST by McGavin999 (I need a new tag line)
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To: McGavin999
Sorry, I'm not going to pretend God gives me a vision like that. I'm going to fight for known conservatives and against known liberals. That's the best I can do.
110 posted on 02/10/2007 6:00:58 AM PST by Jim Robinson ("Electable" gave us Gerald Ford and Bob Dole. Voting for the right-wing kook gave us Reagan. ~ A.C.)
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To: Jim Robinson

That's fine, and the best I can do is to figure out for myself just who is and who is not conservative so I can fight for him/her too. (notice the her, I keep hoping a Maggie Thatcher will emerge)


111 posted on 02/10/2007 6:04:31 AM PST by McGavin999 (I need a new tag line)
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To: Enosh

Not me.

However I loath polls and will often vote for the 'oddball'

Having said that I despise Hillary more than I hate polls so I probably voted undecided.


112 posted on 02/10/2007 7:38:09 AM PST by proudpapa (Forget Rudy McRomney it's Duncan Hunter in '08!)
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To: processing please hold
I expect the next poll will give the choice between Hillary and "a pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, anti-gun, pro-defense, pro-borders, pro-small government, pro-low taxes, peace through superior firepower patriot.

I'll be interested to see the results...

113 posted on 02/10/2007 7:42:42 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: McGavin999
I see, and you're the one who is going to decide for me just who is a RINO, right?

No, Mc, you get to decide who's a rino for yourself. But, don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining. He's a rino.

Choose whomever pleases you. When did conservatives get together and decide that supporting gay marriage and gay lifestyles are a conservative issue to fight for? They neglected to send me that memo.

114 posted on 02/10/2007 9:00:43 AM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: NittanyLion
*snicker*

I believe rino Rudy will split the GOP if he's nominated. And that ain't good.

115 posted on 02/10/2007 9:05:52 AM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: McGavin999
The thing about Harriet Meirs is I never got to hear ONE WORD out of her own mouth, no one. I was TOLD by pundits what she believed and how she would have voted.

What difference would it have made? We had the choice between someone who has demonstrated conservative values his entire life and someone who only came to them recently. Why would we take a chance on someone who has already wavered once?

116 posted on 02/10/2007 9:35:14 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Jim Robinson

Great comments!

Love your new tagline too!


117 posted on 02/10/2007 2:10:58 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: McGavin999
I'm still fuming about Harriet Meirs. I never got to hear one word come out of her mouth.

Uh, I think there was a reason for that. When people, such as the Senators with whom she interviewed, did get to hear something coming out of her mouth, they could see plainly that she was unimpressive. The Administration therefore kept her under wraps. So....see, no need for all that fuming!

118 posted on 02/10/2007 2:24:00 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: Plutarch
I'm so glad you guys like to have the media and pundits make up your minds for you. Personally, I want to make up my own mind, I don't need some pundit telling me what to think and who should be on the SCOTUS, I want to hear what they have to say and judge for myself.

The liberals have been making those decisions for people for ages, I never expected to see a bunch of so called conservatives be so submissive.

119 posted on 02/10/2007 2:59:14 PM PST by McGavin999 ("Hard is not Hopeless" General Petraeus)
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To: processing please hold
I'm not telling you anything, nor am I, as you so colorfully put it, peeing on your leg and telling you it's raining. I'm just telling you I will make up my own mind in my own good time and nobody is on or off the table at this point. And I refuse to allow anyone to call me dumb because I have not decided two years before the vote.

Good God, this place is becoming like DU.

120 posted on 02/10/2007 3:04:23 PM PST by McGavin999 ("Hard is not Hopeless" General Petraeus)
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