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Theory for mass deaths roils Mexico (Not just the Conquistadors,, how about Rats?)
AP on Yahoo ^ | 1/7/07 | Mark Stevenson - ap

Posted on 01/07/2007 9:19:25 PM PST by NormsRevenge

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1 posted on 01/07/2007 9:19:28 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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2 posted on 01/07/2007 10:37:43 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("I've learned to live with not knowing." -- Richard Feynman)
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To: SunkenCiv
There are several Arenavirus' which could be the culprit here.

South American HFs aren't as well known as Ebola or Marburg, but they do exist. Dengue also has an HF variant.

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3 posted on 01/07/2007 10:44:40 PM PST by Lurker (Europe killed 6 million Jews and as a reward they got 40 million Moslems. Karma's a bitch.)
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To: NormsRevenge

It was Bush's fault. (I was first.)

It was Global Warming. (I was first.)


Bush doesn't care about illegal immigration. (I was first.)


4 posted on 01/08/2007 12:38:19 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Barack Saddam Hussein Obama)
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To: NormsRevenge

Interesting - maybe something like hantavirus.


5 posted on 01/08/2007 5:52:37 AM PST by Tax-chick (What's this we have now?)
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To: NormsRevenge; LucyT; Lurker; SunkenCiv
We covered Acuna-Soto's report five years ago. I wonder why it's such a big deal now?

Historical Review: Megadrought And Megadeath In 16th Century Mexico (Hemorrhagic Fever)

The epidemic of cocoliztli from 1545 to 1548 killed an estimated 5 million to 15 million people, or up to 80% of the native population of Mexico (Figure 1). In absolute and relative terms the 1545 epidemic was one of the worst demographic catastrophes in human history, approaching even the Black Death of bubonic plague, which killed approximately 25 million in western Europe from 1347 to 1351 or about 50% of the regional population.

The cocoliztli epidemic from 1576 to 1578 cocoliztli epidemic killed an additional 2 to 2.5 million people, or about 50% of the remaining native population.

6 posted on 01/08/2007 6:39:26 AM PST by blam
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7 posted on 01/08/2007 7:39:39 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (Rats-beyond your expectations!)
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To: blam

"We covered Acuna-Soto's report five years ago. I wonder why it's such a big deal now?"

Maybe somebody wants to strike back against the "official history." I was watching that comedian, Carlos Mencia, and he went on at some length about how Europeans were terrible. A little truth wouldn't hurt anything.


8 posted on 01/08/2007 7:52:13 AM PST by dsc
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To: Tax-chick

Nah, that's respiratory.


9 posted on 01/08/2007 7:54:32 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: NormsRevenge

"He says some historians in Mexico are offended by his theory." Their identify as Mexicans is closely tied to having been culturally and physically raped by the conquistadors. (See Octavio Paz) So, don't bother them with facts, let them continue to believe what suits their victimhood so they can keep carrying that chip on their shoulder. As a matter of fact, when the Spanish arrived in Mexico the natives were sacrificing each other by ripping the living heart out of their victims, in some cases 20,000 at a time. But is isn't PC to talk about that.


10 posted on 01/08/2007 7:57:26 AM PST by 3AngelaD (ic.)
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Thanks - all I remembered was the rodents spread it!


11 posted on 01/08/2007 8:01:27 AM PST by Tax-chick (What's this we have now?)
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It's found in thier feces and urine. Usually infection comes from cleaning out storage spaces, etc... and breathing in the residue. In NM we actually had more cases of the bubonic plague than hantavirus this past year.


12 posted on 01/08/2007 8:03:30 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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Wow!

I'm reading a book about yellow fever this week, and it's just horrible. The symptoms they discuss in the article reminded me of yellow fever.


13 posted on 01/08/2007 8:06:43 AM PST by Tax-chick (What's this we have now?)
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Check out a book called "Pox Americana" about the small pox epidemic of 1775 to 1782.


14 posted on 01/08/2007 8:09:14 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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Thanks! I like medical histories - I understand there's a new book about cholera out, too.

The yellow fever book mentioned that Dr. Jenner researched the smallpox vaccine using his son as a guinea pig. The boy ended up brain damaged and died young, and Dr. Jenner never forgave himself.


15 posted on 01/08/2007 8:14:44 AM PST by Tax-chick (What's this we have now?)
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To: blam
We covered Acuna-Soto's report five years ago. I wonder why it's such a big deal now?

Yeah. It'd been bounced around for a while and found defendable. Maybe it's an issue of it finally being difficult to deny in Mexican circles too?

16 posted on 01/08/2007 11:48:49 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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"I'm reading a book about yellow fever this week, and it's just horrible. The symptoms they discuss in the article reminded me of yellow fever."

Church Street Graveyard

Tucked away behind the Mobile Public Library is the Church Street Graveyard. It was established in 1819 for victims of yellow fever.

17 posted on 01/08/2007 12:00:34 PM PST by blam
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To: NormsRevenge

Multifactorial. Diseases carried by

The early European explorers frequently reported entire Native American villages being wiped out by European diseases, to which they had little or no resistance.

The British Christians, especially the Pilgrims in Massachusetts, definitely attributed it to God's grace, that God was wiping out the Godless heathens and giving them their fallow fields, already prepared for planting.

There's a gruesome narrative description of Christians tending a village of dying Massachusetts Indians, ill from smallpox. Their beds were made of straw or hay, so the pustules would break on the hard surface and their bodies were covered with oozing crusty pus and blood.

The Europeans already had smallpox so were able to tend without catching it again.


18 posted on 01/08/2007 12:10:46 PM PST by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: NormsRevenge

The bubonic plague was carried by rats.


19 posted on 01/08/2007 5:33:40 PM PST by bannie
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20 posted on 01/08/2007 10:50:57 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("I've learned to live with not knowing." -- Richard Feynman)
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