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Office queen bees hold back women’s careers
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Posted on 01/02/2007 4:50:49 AM PST by shrinkermd

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Among the conclusions were the finding that female participants saw women candidates as less capable than men, thought the women candidates would do less well with time and men were open and fair than women.

No man could say that.

1 posted on 01/02/2007 4:50:52 AM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

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2 posted on 01/02/2007 4:52:30 AM PST by larryjohnson (USAF(Ret))
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To: shrinkermd
The study found that when presented with applications for promotion, women were more likely than men to assess the female candidate as less qualified than the male one.

This compels the casual observer to want to ask, why?

3 posted on 01/02/2007 4:55:22 AM PST by x_plus_one (Allah has no son.)
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The study says: “Female participants had a stronger tendency than male participants to view the female candidates as less qualified than the male candidate . . . they also thought that the female candidate would fare worse in the future in her job than the male candidate.”

Women like strong men. No surprise here.

It adds: “Female participants predicted that the male candidate would show a more laissez-faire leadership style than the female candidate would.”

I've worked in women-dominated workplaces much of my adult life. Many more women than men have been micromanagers, or, to put it more tastelessly, control freaks. A fair number of the men I've worked with have simply allowed me to do my job and trusted that I would do it well. A fair number of the women I've worked with have excelled in manipulation and office politics.

Katherine Rake, director of the Fawcett Society which campaigns for sexual equality, said stereotyping was more important than female rivalry in holding back women’s careers: “Stereotypes about what is an appropriate role for women are still very strong in people’s minds and there is still a cultural barrier to women making it into senior positions.”

Feminists are clueless about human nature. No surprises here, either.

4 posted on 01/02/2007 5:00:16 AM PST by redpoll (redpoll)
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My head hurts trying to follow the logic of this study & this article.

Seems to me if the study really proves that most women in management positions discriminate on the basis of perceived competitiveness, then those women must be making the correct decisions when they refuse to promote other women, who are in turn more likely to be poor managers as well..

I mean, they KNOW that a majority of women tend to be poor decision makers because THEY are poor decision makers.

Or is the study concluding that most women managers are making POOR decisions about other women when they conclude they would be poor managers even though most women managers are making poor decisions because of competitiveness?

See what I mean? My head hurts.


5 posted on 01/02/2007 5:03:51 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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Hmmm


6 posted on 01/02/2007 5:05:08 AM PST by Lil'freeper (You do not have the plug-in required to view this tagline.)
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I don't know about females holding back females but the queen bee syndrome and female rivalry in the workplace is rampant and very obvious. Females spend much of their time watching other females, males like to watch the females too.


7 posted on 01/02/2007 5:08:40 AM PST by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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My experience in the workforce compel me to agree with every word in your post...and I'm a woman.


8 posted on 01/02/2007 5:24:11 AM PST by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: redpoll
Many more women than men have been micromanagers, or, to put it more tastelessly, control freaks. A fair number of the men I've worked with have simply allowed me to do my job and trusted that I would do it well.

Totally nailed it.

9 posted on 01/02/2007 5:33:25 AM PST by Obadiah
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My last and my current manager were (are) women. The current one is just awesome; VERY bright, attractive, supportive, aggressive (in the right way), personable.....the whole package.

The last one.........ummmm..............let's just say I'm glad she moved on.


10 posted on 01/02/2007 5:41:15 AM PST by RightOnline
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Sometimes men managers think with the "wrong head." They find the female candidate to be more "qualified" because she is good looking and flirts with them. She is promoted over the male with far more applicable experience and more approprite temperament for the job. Just happened where I work. Major mistake.

Female managers come in all types, just as males do. Some are micro-managers, others more laid back. But often females become more micro-managers because male bosses tend to hold their feet to the fire and "beat up" on them verbally when their subordinates mess up.

As a female boss, I'm pretty laid back, and all my employees are female. But then again, I'm very close to retirement eligble.


11 posted on 01/02/2007 5:47:42 AM PST by Help!
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To: shrinkermd

My office queen bee prefers to promote women over men. At one point in time she was discriminated against by a white male.


12 posted on 01/02/2007 5:47:44 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: shrinkermd

I'm a man and I've said it many times. That's why most career women prefer to work for men.


13 posted on 01/02/2007 6:20:46 AM PST by pissant
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The findings, based on experiments carried out among more than 700 people, suggest that the “queen bee syndrome” of female rivalry in the workplace may sometimes be as important as sexism in holding back women’s careers.

Can I believe that one!!! I had a female boss at one time and it was the most miserable time of my employment. Everything I did was *usurping* her authority. If I made decisions while she was on vacation, I was usurping her authority; if I didn't I wasn't showing enough initiative and ambition, which was used against me at promotion time. I just couldn't win. A female with an agenda can be the nastiest creature around.

14 posted on 01/02/2007 6:42:24 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: shrinkermd

No surprises, to me.


15 posted on 01/02/2007 7:43:43 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: shrinkermd

An old teacher had this sitting on her desk.

"The best man for a job is usually a woman."


16 posted on 01/02/2007 7:49:27 AM PST by proudpapa (of three.)
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To: shrinkermd

I've had my fair share of queen bees.

Very nasty, controlling, backstabbing people.
I think it is just plain old female competitiveness, or the old fashion words were jealousy and envy!


17 posted on 01/02/2007 7:55:49 AM PST by TruthConquers (Delenda est publius schola)
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The findings, based on experiments carried out among more than 700 people, suggest that the ?queen bee syndrome? of female rivalry in the workplace may sometimes be as important as sexism in holding back women?s careers.

I love it! If a man does a certain thing it's SEXISM (he's probably a cruel, evil, mean spirited REPUBLICAN), but when a WOMAN commits the same act, it needs a different (and, note, less damning) name. The libs have finally gone completely wacko.

18 posted on 01/02/2007 8:29:55 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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I have worked for both men and women. I can tell you that hands down I would rather work for a man than a woman.

It has nothing to do with capability. It has to do with micromanagement and the way MOST women deal with other human beings.

This is a gross generalization, and there are, of course, exceptions to the rule.


19 posted on 01/02/2007 11:02:18 AM PST by pollyannaish
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It adds: “Female participants predicted that the male candidate would show a more laissez-faire leadership style than the female candidate would.”

I've worked in women-dominated workplaces much of my adult life. Many more women than men have been micromanagers, or, to put it more tastelessly, control freaks. A fair number of the men I've worked with have simply allowed me to do my job and trusted that I would do it well. A fair number of the women I've worked with have excelled in manipulation and office politics.

Hit the nail on the head. I think micromanagement/need for absolute control is not overstating the case.

20 posted on 01/02/2007 11:04:31 AM PST by pollyannaish
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