BODIES OF SOUTH CAROLINA COUPLE WHO WENT MISSING EN ROUTE TO NEW YORK TO VISIT FAMILY FOUND

Fox News Channel | 12/11/2006

[surfer]

HowlinG

Take a look at this post that I am responding to...

Please show me where you don't say the following:

The HP and Nash County Emergency crews went out and looked and saw nothing. I'm sure they didn't just do a driveby.

Ah...well I guess you did say that. I'm sure they didn't just do a driveby - does that mean you thought they got out of the car?

Guess I didn't make this stuff up.

[surfer]

So I will ask you another one of the questions you just seem to want to ignore...

After watching your favorite video and seeing the skid marks from the car...

Do you think anyone that did a thorough investigation of the location could have possibly missed those?

I am asking you specifically because you are the authority there and you are sure they didn't just do a driveby...

[Rte66]

Because it isn't against the law for adults to go missing if they want to. It's also standard protocol for LE to wait 24 hours on missing persons reports for adults.

Just because we don't *think* our parents would disappear on purpose, or our spouse or brother or sister or in-law or grown child would, doesn't mean that they wouldn't.

The privacy factor is built in here, primarily because of abused spouses or family members who need to get out of a dangerous situation. That is the extreme, but that sets the bar for determining whether an all-out search will commence.

This is why the HyPo won't give out details on car accidents or the the hotel in Portland wouldn't give out credit card info on the Kims. As a private citizen, you have to make a very strong case of "probable cause" to get LE to help you.

It's sad that it has to be this way, but it does. It has saved many lives in the long run.

[surfer]

R6 you bring up a very good point.

It also says that it is important to make sure your family members have a lot of details about your travel plans, etc...that could include giving them credit cards you plan to use, scan or fax copies of your reservations so that information is in their hands. It is important to know what current medical conditions they have if any, current photographs, etc...

[Howlin]

Actually you said, "A family member also said the car went through a divider and then hit a tree and ended up in the creek submerged under two feet of water. "

That's quite a difference between UNDER two feet of water and two feet of water OVER the roof.

You have to remember just because where you live there are limited news outlets doesn't mean the rest of the world is like that.

Are you saying we should take the word of somebody like YOU rather than people who are ON THE SCENE? And we are NOT limited by any means.

how dare you criticize them just because you are not in the loop.

You are trying to characterize my criticism of your interpretation of an ongoing event with criticism of a group you no nothing about except what you're read more than likely.

And if I've learned one thing tonight, if you are holding yourself forth as some sort of "emergency news expert" of this forum, gathering news and passing it along, people better double check what you're telling them.

You need to read the NY Post, NY Times, Newsday,

Here's the link to the NY Post article right here; they still have them listed as MISSING.

Same with The New York Times

And Newsday doesn't have anything at all.

[paulat]

Because it isn't against the law for adults to go missing if they want to. It's also standard protocol for LE to wait 24 hours on missing persons reports for adults.

Just because we don't *think* our parents would disappear on purpose, or our spouse or brother or sister or in-law or grown child would, doesn't mean that they wouldn't.

Very good point, Rte66.

Thanks, surfer. I've been following your posts!

[Howlin]

S.C. Couple Found in N.C. Swamp

 and The Associated Press

(12/11/06 -- NASH COUNTY) - The search for a missing South Carolina couple has come to a tragic end in Nash County. State Troopers found their car submerged in water just off I-95.

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Also on abc11tv.com:
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Wayne Guay, 57, and his wife, Dianne Guay, 55, were found dead in their white Mazada Monday afternoon in Nash County on I-95 between the 139 and 140 mile markers.

The couple was last heard from last Wednesday night when they embarked on a 12-hour trip to Queens, New York.

Friends and family say they regularly traveled to New York to see family and friends for the holidays.

Family members spoke to the couple Wednesday night but became worried when calls to the couple's cell phone went straight to voice mail Thursday. "We started getting nervous," said Daniel Rodriguez, the couple's son-in-law. "When it started hitting 8 or 9 o'clock with no phone call we knew something was wrong."

Wayne Guay, a former employee of New York's Department of Sanitation, and Dianne Guay, a former city school employee, moved to the Myrtle Beach area several years ago after retiring.

The Guay family rented a helicopter to help search, and the state Law Enforcement Division also took to the air Monday in hopes of spotting the couple's car.

Last Thursday Nash County 911 Communications notified the Highway Patrol of a traffic collision at the same location. Nash County EMS and Fire were unable to locate an accident at the reported location.

The Highway Patrol is investigating the collision.

[Rte66]

If it said the car crashed through the divider, doesn't that mean the median between the northbound and southbound lanes?

If someone called 911 with their cell phone in their car, maybe because they glanced in their rear-view mirror and just happened to see a car back behind them a ways starting to lose control and start skidding or careeening, then they told the dispatcher that their own location was somewhere between mile marker 139 and 140, and they were northbound - LE might've been looking along the 5,280 feet of northbound freeway shoulder.

The car would've been on the opposite side of the Interstate from where they were looking. Conversely, if someone saw the car after it had crashed thru the divider - and again, they're in their own car using a cell phone and saw this happen in their rear-view mirror, they might've thought the car had been in their own southbound lane all along, because that's the only side of the road where they had seen them.

See? That makes twice the amount of ground to cover, on both sides, looking for wreckage. Skid marks wouldn't mean anything - there are skid marks all over highways all the time.

LE couldn't possibly have covered all that on foot on the off-chance that the few feet they were searching were actually the correct ones.

[surfer]

Howlin,

The car is found under two feet of water. Think about the sentence...guess I need to break this down for you. You go two down in the water and you find the car. What I said is exactly correct - there are two feet of water over the car.

I am absolutely not an expert on this topic. I am trying to help in a small way.

Howlin one thing you need to understand. You might be able to bully other people out here on FR but I am not going to take one once of your crap. You want to challenge me you better be ready for a response you have never seen.

FR is about sharing information and battling out ideas and hopefully educating people about things and having discussions. It isn't about who is more right or who is more wrong.

Don't ever think for one minute that I will not rise to the challenge of your bullying - that dog won't hunt here.

[Howlin]

I don't see how you can tell anything about the skidmarks from that little video.

I saw them on my big screen TV and could barely see them.

I think you're now fixating on that to cover up for the fact that what you said early on was wrong.

[derllak]

Houston, we have a problem..... :P

[surfer]

Hey weren't you defeated finally in the last season?

[surfer]

So Howlin with all your local on the spot knowledge and expertise...can you tell me one thing that you did to try to help this family?

Did you make any calls? Let's say to volunteer to look at video capture from interections, highway cams, etc...

Did you call NC HP and ask any tough questions?

Did you get in your car (leaving your big screen behind) and drive 95 trying to look for anything?

What exactly have you done that would be a help to this family?

[derllak]

No one defeats the great Derllak!
What are you talking about? Lol!

[Howlin]

One thing you need to understand is that one thing that drives me crazy on FR is people on FR that BS and lie.

And I think you have lied.

You claimed you don't have cable and you claimed you didn't see Greta, yet you posted this:

To: Arizona Carolyn

There were numerous calls to 911 reporting the accident. It was within a 3-4 mile range. They are reporting that there were skid marks leaving the road into the creek.

Happened at 7:30am on Thursday. No rain, temp about 40 and light wind 10-15 mph. No fog, no black ice.

Highway patrol says 3 miles is too much to thoroughly investigate.

72 posted on 12/11/2006 10:16:25 PM EST by surfer

And the time you posted that "weater informtaion" there was a weatherman on Greta's show and what you posted is damn near word for word what he said.

Add that to your telling me to read the stories in those newspapers that don't have any up to date stories, and I'm calling BS on you.

And you can save that "bullying" crap for somebody else; you got caught in a bunch of BS and you're not happy about it so you're attacking me.

You can stuff that.

[Howlin]

ROFLMAO.........man, oh, man......nuts!

[surfer]

I saw it...u will see. You get sucked into the void.

[derllak]

You scare me not, surfer! :P

[surfer]

you really are a fool...but there are people that tell me you are fun when your not..ah...being a fool.

In any event,
7:30a came from the 911 call.

I just watched the Fox video clip.
The weatherman said:
No rain, temp low was 31 and high was 30 and actually he made a mistake on the high it was 60. He said winds were up to 20 mph.

So how does this report match what I said? This must be part of that gray area again - "I'm sure they didn't just do a driveby - but I never said they got out of their car" - that sounds more like depends on what your definition of is is.

I just watched it off a friends slingbox. I will watch Greta's show now and become enlightened as you are.

So I guess with you Howlin for some reason I am going to have to continue to correct you. You can apologize to me at any time.

Please if anyone can replay the weather report on Fox feel free to confirm what I said. Thanks.

[Howlin]

I just watched the Fox video clip.

You've got a link to the video of Greta's show?

How about posting it right here so we canall see it.