Posted on 11/21/2006 5:49:44 AM PST by TommyDale
It is not THAT he wears this shirt, it is WHY he wears it.
OK, why does he wear it? (Is this a joke like why the chicken crosses the road? smile)
Well, Dan, do your best to listen sometime. He's got a good message in spite of his 'eye'batting thing. Mxxx
I'm inclined to agree with you jan. We do have to be careful these last days to be careful to whom we listen. He has done much good, I'm sure, but I, for one, need to be careful not to be deceived. It's easy enough to get deceived these days.
That's okay, CM. I have a good friend who only read the Bible as well. Mxxx
We did it too. The celebration was the best part (smile). I enjoyed the book and the sermons, etc. and could see nothing wrong with them. But I'm not always as astute about such things. I just don't see much growth or fruit from those sessions.
2 Timothy 4:3
"For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear."
I have a tendency to be dazzled by some of these folks and need to prayerfully consider all of this. Some of the things said here are disturbing to say the least. I don't want to judge him either because I don't know his heart, but even if he started off doing God's will, we have to make sure he continues to do it and not get off on a tangent. That happens to SO many good Christians.
They tried to peddle that as a defense of some of Bill Clinton's actions, too. When Rick Warren set foot in the political arena, his actions there became subject to a different standard than his actions within the church.
I don't have any problem with RW being accountable to The Body . . . especially those around him.
I notice in the NT, however, that Christ never submitted Himself to the opinions of the religious rulers of his dusty pathed days.
I believe every Christian needs to be accountable to people in their BOC, especially the leadership. What I'm saying is that I need to be sure that leaders do not deceive us. It's easy enough to do these days.
I am very familiar with that scripture and I do my best to avoid people that give me a 'check' in my spirit. I don't feel that with Osteen. He's always blessed my heart with his sermons, especially those on family. He was the reason my son and his wife came back to church and I will always be grateful for that.
The problem is that you are operating based on 'feelings' (i.e., a check in your spirit) rather than a knowledge of what the Word of God says and how that compares to what Osteen says.
"He's always blessed my heart with his sermons, especially those on family."
Nice touchy feely warm and fuzzy.
I'd say you fall squarely into the 2 Tim 4:3 bucket.
http://www.av1611.org/osteen.html
http://www.apprising.org/archives/2005/10/joel_osteen_smi.html
True.
AMEN! AMEN!
Hogwash.
Evidently I know MarySecretary better.
Actually, the point was whether you know Jesus Christ and the Word of God well enough to know an 'itching ears' preacher when you hear one.
Had nothing to do with knowing Marysecretary, but I understand how you might have become confused.
Actually, the point was whether you know Jesus Christ and the Word of God well enough to know an 'itching ears' preacher when you hear one.
Had nothing to do with knowing Marysecretary, but I understand how you might have become confused.
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I'm skeptical that the right person has been labeled confused.
My point was that I'm CERTAIN MarySecretary KNOWS Scripture well more than well enough to know an "itchy ears" preacher when she hears one.
And, her humility is a 2-3 standard deviations higher than the average on such threads.
I provided links to analyses of Osteen's 'itching ears' gospel that refute him using Scripture. I notice you have no answers for those criticisms.
If you are CERTAIN that Marysecretary KNOWS Scripture 'more than well enough' to know an 'itching ears' preacher when she hears one, then there must be some other problem.
That Osteen is an 'itching ears' preacher is well-documented.
I wholesale disagree.
And, I don't think that's God's perspective; nor even a Biblical perspective, either.
Sigen
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