Posted on 11/21/2006 5:23:06 AM PST by SJackson
I'm quite sure that the Charleston merchants would have been willing to sell, but show us the documentation that the Confederates were willing to allow provisions to reach the garrison at Sumter.
Give us the source of your "1st person" report or simply admit that, once again, you are just lying.
Pick one or the other.
Based on what rule of law?
It also doesn't sound like courtesy or gallantry, Southern or otherwise. More like a deliberate attempt at killing every man in the fort.
every time i say ANYTHING that points out that the lincoln MALadministration & the TYRANT were CREEPS, CRIMINALS, etc., some DAMN-fool accuses me of lying just because he/she has NO "comeback".
when i have cited DOCUMENTERY PROOF, then those IDIOTS/HATERS/FOOLS have ALWAYS said: "that's not a good source" (i STILL laugh at the DAMNyankee who said that the OFFICIAL RECORDS of the war could NOT be believed as "they are just racist diatribes" AND "rebel propaganda". m(
fwiw, that is the sort of HATERS & IDIOTS that you're associating with.
the Charleston Mercury of the period reported what supplies were being delivered to the fort, including the LUXURY GOODS, like fresh bread/fruit/oysters,lace & chocolate for example.
the truth is that Fortress Monroe was ALSO supplied by civilian merchants for quite a while during the war.
the FACTS are NOT, at least in this case, on the Yankee/HATERS side.
free dixie,sw
I thought that YOU were the Yankee HATERS side.
When have you ever cited "documentery" (sic) proof that can actually be confirmed by anyone? You always end up resorting to some book that no one can find or some document that no one's ever mentioned before. (and I'm still waiting for some explanation why Jefferson Davis never mentions this alleged personal letter from Lincoln, in either his memoir or his speech to the CSA congress).
the Charleston Mercury of the period reported what supplies were being delivered to the fort, including the LUXURY GOODS, like fresh bread/fruit/oysters,lace & chocolate for example.
Last week you said it was a professor at the Citadel who wrote about this.
So, it's your position that when Anderson said his men were running out of supplies and would have to leave the fort soon, he was lying? When Capt. Foster wrote in his journal that the men were down to half rations of bread, he was lying? When he says that the men inside the fort were picking through the last of the damaged rice, trying to get the broken glass out of it so they could eat it, they were ignoring the oysters and chocolate that had been brought out to them that day? Are you saying that Abner Doubleday was lying when he wrote:
Many unfavorable comments having been made, even in the Southern States, more particularly in Kentucky, in relation to Governor Pickens’s treatment of us, he relaxed his severity, and on the 21st sent us over some fresh beef and vegetables ; as if we would consent to be fed by the charity of South Carolina. Anderson showed a good deal of proper spirit on this occasion. He declined to receive the provisions, but notified the governor that, if we were not interfered with, we would purchase our own supplies in Charleston market. The governor consented to this; but nothing came of it. There seemed to be a combination among the market-men not to sell us any food.
The only THING you ever site is the fact that you are a nut.
Show the proof that Sumter was open to provisions from Charleston merchants, or be know as a damn lier and nut case that you are.
April 7, 1861. -- P. G. T. Beauregard orders all transports to Fort Sumter cut off. This ended the fort's supply of fresh food.They had nothing left but old salt pork which is why Anderson told them that the 15th would be the last day and they would be forced to quit Sumter.
Why did Davis fire when he knew that in a few days Anderson would be starved out? Because Davis wanted and needed war. It was the only way he would ever get Virginia to join his little vicious slave driving republic that you so love and long for.
Just out of CURIOSITY, how much have you paid the shrinks and psychologists over the years trying to cure your INSANITY?
You misunderstood....
The casemates were the only part of the fort that has survived both Confederate & Union Bombardments.
If the Magazine HAD exploded, which it almost did, those casemates, and all in them would have been history. (no pun intended :))
Let's NOT go there, we have already argued that point into oblivion.......
Wrong again. Upon seeing the fort in flames, and sensing the danger to the garrison, Col. Louis Wigfall of Texas, rowed over in a launch to inquire if assistance was needed. The bombardment was stopped at that time. Sounds pretty d*mn gallant to me.
And your point is what? The article proves my point.
BECAUSE Davis knew a warship was approaching with TROOPS & ARMS and SUPPLIES......DUH!
Sumter, in coordination with the other forts that encircled it on the main land, was envisioned to provide cross-fire to protect from attack from ships entering the harbor, as happened when the Union ironclades entered in 1863. But it was impossible to protect itself from attacks from the mainland. It was, in 1861, a proverbial sitting duck if any of the encircling mainland installations were in enemy hands, (which is how it eventually fell to the Union in 1864.)
It was not a warship, it was a merchant vessel and it only carried provisions. If they had simply let it land, Anderson and his men would have sat there for another 30 or 60 days until they needed more supplies.
How long could they have sat on that rock before they finally gave up? Who knows for sure, but Jeff Davis knew damn well that Anderson and his 65 men were already fast becoming heroes throughout the nation (and not just in the north) and the more they were admired for their perseverance, the worse it made the radicals in Charleston look.
PR-101. When it starts looking bad for you side, do something -- anything -- to change the equation. For Davis, that was start shooting.
Let me ask you. Do you think order to fire on Charleston was based on Lincoln's decision to resupply the fort?
Wrong....The Star of the West was a WARSHIP. It WAS carrying supplies & Troops. (Ask NS if you don't believe me)
The same warship was later captured by the Confederacy at the Battle of Galveston.
Yes. The Order to fire was based on the knowledge that a ship was going to supply & reinforce the Fort.
Wigfall was glory-hunting. The flag had been shot away and he rowed out to see if the fort had surrendered. The welfare of the garrison was the last thing on his mind.
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