Shame of the Yankees - America's Worst Anti-Jewish Action [Civil War thread]

Jewish Press ^ | 11-21-06 | Lewis Regenstein

[Ditto]

Justice Taney, in Ex parte MERRYMAN, then ruled the suspension of habeas corpus unconstitutional because the writ could not be suspended without an Act of Congress. President Lincoln and the military ignored Justice Taney's ruling.

And when Congress returned for the special session Lincoln had called, they approved of all of his actions including suspension of the writ and noted that under the Militia Act of 1792, Lincoln was not only entitled, but obligated to take those actions to defend the nation.

[stand watie]

my reason for quoting Dr Brownmiller is that N-S only seems to believe NON-southerners & Brownmiller (for all her other problems) is NO dixie lass.

otoh, you ARE a southerner & you should know better than to believe the LIES out of the LEFTIST northeastern, elitist, sanctimonious, "halls of academia". but you OBVIOUSLY aren't that SMART!

in point of FACT, you wouldn't accept as fact ANY source ,no matter what it is, that disagrees with your PREJUDICES!

laughing AT you!

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

i wouldn't argue that Brownmiller is a historian and she IS a "polemicist" for the radical feminist cause. neither, to my knowledge, has anyone in academia ever doubted her SOURCES, even when (like ME) they disagree violently with her conclusions. AGAINST OUR WILL, Men, Women & Rape, to my knowledge has NEVER beeen sucessfully attacked on the HONESTY of its facts, but rather on Brownmiller's CONCLUSIONS from those FACTS.

the quote, (NOT that you'll accept it as a source!) is from the Public School Teacher's Guide to her book.

as i said to your "buddy", "JSU&TI", you wouldn't believe ANY source, that PROVES that the DAMNyankees were the remorseless WAR CRIMINALS that MANY of them manifestly were. ANY SOURCE!

the TRUTH is that your mind is made up & anything, from any source, that DISAGREES with your obvious, UNthinking, PREJUDICE is "dismissed out of hand". FACT!

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

laughing AT you!

each post you make exposes you to even more public RICDICULE!

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

laughing AT you!

each post you make exposes you to even more public RIDICULE!

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

DE,KY,MD,MO and (some would argue) NE (as they still had "lifetime indentured servitude" without pay = sounds like slavery to me!) were considered northern states.

care for a "do over"???

my question to YOU is how many northern states had HAD slavery before the WBTS & what disposition of those slaves was made of those slaves, when slavery was made UNlawful in those states??? (i'd bet you don't want to answer that UNcomfortable question.)

free dixie,sw

[justshutupandtakeit]

Should a miracle happen and you have something to say that is coherent let me know.

[justshutupandtakeit]

I suppose you will be quoting Andrea Dworkin next.

[stand watie]

yet ANOTHER ignorant DUMB-bunny post from our "DUMB-bunny in chief", "JSU&TI", the bigot/hater.

laughing AT you.

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

did you read #663???? if so, did you UNDERSTAND the post and/or my point???

in your case, given your rather obvious & demonstrated lack of intellectual ability, i have to ask.

laughing AT you.

free dixie,sw

[justshutupandtakeit]

You never have a point.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

the quote, (NOT that you'll accept it as a source!) is from the Public School Teacher's Guide to her book.

LOL! A Public School Teacher's Guide to "Against Our Will"? Yeah, right. What grade level of public school is that for? Got a publisher? Got a year? It's not in her bibliography. Wonder why.

[stand watie]

every post the 2 of you DUNCES post makes "the unionist cause" on FR look evermore DENSE,clueLESS, ignorant & PREJUDICED.

fwiw, "teacher's guides" are GENERALLY not listed in bibliographies of ANY book used in the public/secondary schools, as they are a SUPPLEMENT (you do understand the word: SUPPLEMENT, don't you??)to the book. (you REALLY ought to "check your facts" & "engage brain" BEFORE opening mouth. you might then NOT look like a HATE-filled, 1/2-educated, DUNCE!)

i guess i 'll have to add you to the list of DUNCES & "clueLESS nitwits", that i ONLY laugh AT & "make sport of". with any luck at all, we can make you yet another "target of opportunity for mirth & common abuse", as your buddy, "JSU&TI" already is. NOTHING he spews out like so much manure is believed or even "taken seriously" by other FReepers.

fwiw, when you first appeared on FR, i thought you might (for once) be an example of a SMART unionist. sadly, i've come to the conclusion that you're just a slightly "better read" (but EQUALLY prejudiced & "closed minded")dunce, than most of the DYs (who have previously sojourned on FR) are.

free dixie,sw

[spacecowboynj]

"And NO Northern states did not return slaves without federal coercion under the Fugitive Slave Act which was the Law of the Land."

First off, any time you mention "Northern states" you're going to have to mention that four of them were slave states. And to say that the North didn't return slaves without "federal coercion" further blurs the line between the two and certainly flies in the face of your ranting about the South's "tyranny" in your previous post on this subject, something outright laughable in light of your dismissal of Lincoln suspending habeas corpus, ignoring the Supreme Court, and dismissing with Congressional debate altogether as he plunged this nation into an abyss of blood and death that would today result in over 6 million dead Americans, a number equal to that of those massacred in the Holocaust half a century ago, something this poster is clearly fine with. The nation would never have gotten into war in the first place had compromise been the name of the game (reduction in unfair tariffs on the Southern states' trade internally and with Europe and a phasing out of slavery via compsenation a'la the way the European powers did).

Yes folks, that's right. The "North" passed a law requiring law enforcement officials to arrest runaway slaves or be fined $1000. That's the equivalent of a fine of over $100k in today's dollars! Sure, there were abolitionists and underground railroads and whatnot, but the notion that this poster has about some benevolent "North" (read: your average citizen) being anti-slavery is nuts.

The North's AWOL rate was 94%!!!! Scores of blacks were beaten to death by black mobs in our most cosmopolitan northern city! Ahem:

"Rioters attacked a black fruit vendor and a nine-year-old boy at the corner of Broadway and Chambers Street before moving to the Colored Orphan Asylum on Fifth Avenue between Forty-Third and Forty-Fourth Streets. By the spring of 1863, the managers had built a home large enough to house over two hundred children. Financially stable and well-stocked with food, clothing, and other provisions, the four-story orphanage at its location on Fifth Avenue and Forty-Second Street was an imposing symbol of white charity toward blacks and black upward mobility. At 4 P.M. on July 13, "the children numbering 233, were quietly seated in their school rooms, playing in the nursery, or reclining on a sick bed in the Hospital when an infuriated mob, consisting of several thousand men, women and children, armed with clubs, brick bats etc. advanced upon the Institution." The crowd took as much of the bedding, clothing, food, and other transportable articles as they could and set fire to the building. John Decker, chief engineer of the fire department, was on hand, but firefighters were unable to save the building. The destruction took twenty minutes."

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

the TRUTH is that your mind is made up & anything, from any source, that DISAGREES with your obvious, UNthinking, PREJUDICE is "dismissed out of hand". FACT!

Oh, this is rich, coming from you. You're the king of rejecting any source that might disturb your absolutist "north all bad, south all good" worldview.

So what did you think of Brownmiller's account of the Willie Green case? Was he guilty or not? Why does she reject Green's wife's account and accept the white victim's? Does Brownmiller's overall thesis effect her version of the facts of the case? What about her statement that, had Emmett Till not been tortured and murdered, he would have raped a white woman? What about Brownmiller's contention that all armies, at all times, habitually rape? You're a former soldier, I understand. Did you rape any women? Did the US Army in Vietnam conduct a widespread program of rape in order to dominate the women? Brownmiller says they did. Her only exception to this "all armies rape" rule is the Viet Cong, in fact.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

So you're claiming that this alleged "teacher's guide" was intended for use in public high schools and that Brownmiller wrote it herself?

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Yes folks, that's right. The "North" passed a law requiring law enforcement officials to arrest runaway slaves or be fined $1000.

Got a source for this? I'm just wondering how the "North" passes a law. Did they have a separate legislature? When was this law passed? Did the south's agitating over getting their slaves returned to them as guaranteed by the Constitution have anything to do with it?

Scores of blacks were beaten to death by black mobs in our most cosmopolitan northern city

I think you mean white mobs, but no matter. When you're playing that fast and loose with the facts, what does a detail like that mean?

[TexConfederate1861]

Slavery was protected by the US Constitution, and by the Fugitive Slave Act, and by the Dred Scott Decision.

They were justified to be concerned over their property rights, which were being threatened.

[TexConfederate1861]

NO...not in that case.

[spacecowboynj]

"Really? And here I'd always read that it was the Yankees inside the fort and the south starting the shooting at them."

You need to refer to something other than the one paragraph long high school textbook version of events.

Lincoln was advised by all of his top brass and his cabinet to abandon Ft. Sumter because of, you know, the Confederate forces unwillingness to tolerate a Union military base withing their boundries. Lincoln promised that he would not reprovision the fort but, in typical Lincoln fashion, lied. Instead he sent a heavily armed naval force to the Fort. Why would he do this? Historian Bruce Cotton explains why:

Lincoln had plainly been warned by [his military advisers] that a ship taking provisions to Fort Sumter would be fired on. Now he was sending the ship, with advance notices to the men who had the guns. He was sending war ships and soldiers as well...If there was going to be a war it would begin over a boat load of salt pork and crackers...Not for nothing did Captain Fox remark afterward that it seemed very important to Lincoln that South Carolina "should stand before the civilized world as having fired upon bread."

Many Northern newspapers recognized that Lincoln wanted war badly. The Buffalo Daily Courier editorialized that "The affair at Fort Sumter...has been planned as a means by which the war feeling at the North should be intensified."

And here's the New York Evening Day Book: :[Fort Sumter] was a cunningly devised scheme to arouse and if possible exasperate the Northern people against the South."

The Providence Daily Post wrote: "For three weeks the administration newspapers have been assuring us that Fort Sumter would be abandoned [but] Mr. Lincoln saw an opportunity to innaugurate civil war without appearing in the character of the aggressor."

It's many times the case that a deeper, scholarly reading of history overrides eventual assumptions commonly held by many. You just have to be up on this stuff.