Posted on 11/21/2006 5:23:06 AM PST by SJackson
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LoL like you would know the difference.
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From Sherman's Memoirs: "That civil war, by reason of the existence of slavery, was apprehended by most of the leading statesmen of the half-century preceding its outbreak, is a matter of notoriety. General Scott told me on my arrival at New York, as early as 1850, that the country was on the eve of civil war; and the Southern politicians openly asserted that it was their purpose to accept as a casus belli the election of General Fremont in 1856; but, fortunately or unfortunately, he was beaten by Mr. Buchanan, which simply postponed its occurrence for four years. Mr. Seward had also publicly declared that no government could possibly exist half slave and half free; yet the Government made no military preparation, and the Northern people generally paid no attention, took no warning of its coming, and would not realize its existence till Fort Sumter was fired on by batteries of artillery, handled by declared enemies, from the surrounding islands and from the city of Charleston. "
From Grant's Memoirs: "THE CAUSE of the great War of the Rebellion against the United Status will have to be attributed to slavery. For some years before the war began it was a trite saying among some politicians that “A state half slave and half free cannot exist.” All must become slave or all free, or the state will go down. I took no part myself in any such view of the case at the time, but since the war is over, reviewing the whole question, I have come to the conclusion that the saying is quite true."
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Lincoln was planning to ship them all back to Liberia, Africa.
No, he wasn't.
Why not just say Grant owned 120 slaves, a couple more than Jefferson Davis did? That would make him even worse than Davis was, wouldn't it?
otoh, lincoln, the TYRANT, was also a notorious racist & antisemite, so perhaps NOT.
Let's elaborate on that a little more and say Lincoln wrote "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" and personally founded Hezbollah on a secret trip to the Holy Land in 1854?
I mean...if you're going to lie then why not let loose and tell a real whopper?
Must...resist...easy...shot... ...must...not...be...cruel....
Whew! Don't feed me anymore straight lines like that, watie.
That's my take on it. This thread seems to be degenerating, but it's an interesting topic for discussion.
One of my collateral ancestors by marriage, General Robert Treat Paine, was in command of the captured city of New Orleans for a while around the end of the war, but was not the governor mentioned in the article. He also, at one time, led a negro regiment from Massachusetts.
That's an interesting question. Salt pork and bacon were two staples in the Union soldier's diet, and I imagine in the southern soldier's as well. Keeping Kosher sounds like it'd be damn near impossible.
I guess you don't consider Maryland a Northern State, or Ky, or WVA for that matter. True, all were south of the mason Dixon line, but they were under Union control and slavery was legal in all three the day the war ended and continued to be legal until the 14th Amendment was passed and ratified, which was a considerable time after the war ended.
You are right about one thing. Lincoln did not claim to be fighting the war to end slavery. Although you would never know it going to public schools.
And as far as your denying that Grant owned slaves, you might want to pick up a history book. Of course, he pulled a Kerry and claimed that they belonged to his wife and he was powerless to free them.
Grant signed a document freeing one slave "William Jones" in 1959. However, during the war, Grant made to effort to free any of the slaves his father-in-law had given to his wife.
Remember, you are entitled to your own opinion; however, you are not entitled to your own facts.
You know I was really enjoying reading the arguments between you and Regulator until the goon squad rolled in. The debate over the rights to secede, the tarrifs, opposing commercial interests, and everything else strike at the heart of our historical experience. And then people start chanting cheap slogans and derail the debate. Oh well, I suppose it would be suppression of free speech to expell the trolls from this thread.
I knew we understood each other perfectly. I am proud to have you as a neighbor as well.
God bless you.....and thanks.
I know his intent...calling it Sharpsburg or Antietam doesn't take away from the battle's importance.
No offense taken Brother.
Welcome to the fight! :)
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