Posted on 11/21/2006 5:23:06 AM PST by SJackson
I'm well aware of the Republican sentiments present in the mountains, so you can just take a flying butt-leap off your strangely sanctimonious high horse. As far as any draft is concerned, you're conveniently exaggerating the effects of a depleted force very late in the effort, in order to tar a mostly volunteer army as somehow ignorant and coerced. Speaking of ignorant and coerced, how 'bout them draft riots in Union territory? Nope, no Union deserters to speak of, the raids and "outliers" who stole everything that wasn't nailed down were made up by deceased family members. They were just plumb hoodwinked by them oddly hypnotic "slavers," none of whom they had likely ever even heard tell of. Idiotic.
Furthermore, he is a fountain of misinformation. The War Between the States was really fought at Gettysburg, PA, between valiant troops from Maine and some delinquent rebel citizens of Virginia. The rest was just marching about to no great purpose.
I am unaware of other participants and therefore take these Civil War stories cum grano salis as my instructor at Bowdoin, Professor Colonel Chamberlain was wont to say.
With the dawn, into His hands we shall surrender
To His glory and when they tell the story let them say
Of the sons of the gray that not one turned away.
It's the last waltz for Dixie
It's the last song she'll sing
So play it pride for all those who died
And the spirit inside you that's the Dixie in me.
I believe, there has never been a group of men so splendid
Or a cause so well defended as our own
Be it Heaven or hell, and everywhere tell
It's the last waltz for Dixie
It's the last song she'll sing
So play it pride for all those who died
And the spirit inside you that's the Dixie in me.
For all we hold dear
The road ahead is clear
For all the things we honor
The moment is near
It's the last waltz for Dixie
It's the last song she'll sing
So play it pride for all those who died
And the spirit inside you that's the Dixie in me.
That's the Dixie in me!
Why argue with them. They cannot tarnish what we know to be true. Our men died for Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, Missouri, Kentucky, and Maryland and it was a noble and honorable cause.
For all those who died for Dixie, they have crossed over the river and now rest under the shade of the trees.
They were not Republicans in the mountains they were UNIONISTS.
I am not exaggerating anything nor just looking at the end of the War. Desertion was a huge problem as early as 1862 when Lee's invasion of Maryland occurred leading to it being unsuccessful. And the CSA draft was not a figment of my imagination. Nor was the exemption of the Slavers with large plantations. Who else could keep the slaves down?
NYC's draft riot was caused by Democrats and newly arrived immigrants. NYC was run by Democrats who OPPOSED the war. There were no riots in cities NOT controlled by Democrats nor in other parts of the Country. NYC was for the ENEMY then just like it is today. Somethings never change.
Of course, there were deserters from the Union army but they weren't as widespread as in the Southern. And non-secessionists Southerners were jailed, whipped, murdered and hung for refusing to fight for the Slaver cause. Eastern Tennessee was under a Reign of Terror for Unionists.
There is no doubt that the Northern soldier as a whole was better educated than the Southern. Education was far more extensive in the North. Pockets of illiteracy did not exist there as they did in the South. Higher education was so much better most of the Southern ruling class sent their children to Northern colleges. Only the children of the wealthy had much of a chance to receive an education in the South. It simply did not value education.
Hiram the Drunk, as my mother says...
I think what Sherman said was, "I want all youse out of there!" and someone misunderstood him.
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And yet Hiram the Drunk beat the snot out of every confederate general sent against him. Maybe the South should have had fewer Christians and more boozers?
"We do further declare and ordain, That the union now subsisting between the State of North Carolina and the other States, under the title of the United States of America, is hereby dissolved, and that the State of North Carolina is in full possession and exercise of all those rights of sovereignty which belong and appertain to a free and independent State."
This latest book seems to be the most recent argument for the right of secession and the war not being about slavery. I'm not sure of the author's background - I'm guessing some branch of Libertarian. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0847697223/lewrockwell/
"Editorial Reviews
Book Description
Using primary documents from both foreign and domestic observers, prominent scholar Charles Adams makes a powerful and convincing case that the Southern states were legitimately exercising their political rights as expressed in the Declaration of Independence when they seceded from the United States. Although conventional histories have taught generations of Americans that this was a war fought for lofty moral principles, Adams' eloquent history transcends simple Southern partisanship to show how the American Civil War was primarily a battle over competing commercial interests, opposing interpretations of constitutional rights, and what English novelist Charles Dickens described as a fiscal quarrel."
So did you....:)
It is spelled: B*U*T*T*H*E*A*D...hehe!
bttt for later reading
Good point, but Herod Agrippa was Idumean, NOT Jewish. :)
Be careful. Your hate is showing! :)
But not her's?
The expansion of slavery, not slavery per se'. Slavery was but one of the issues that festered in the Southerner's mind regarding the power suddenly found by the central gov't.
It is a myth that the WBTS was fought over slavery only. You won't find historical record of unioin forces going to war over it. You will find record of Lincoln and his army going to war to preserve the union. Other than a handful of abolitionists, mostly in New England, the North had no moral qualms about slavery at the time.
Also, it should be noted that slavery was guaranteed by the Constitution at the time. Lincoln even remarked that what he did he did for the union and not for the slave. He was perfectly willing to let the institution exist to preserve his blessed "union". (tariffs and power)
Regenstein also publishes on lewrockwell.com. You can find a slightly different version of this article there as well as a letter on Grant that Regenstein sent to the New York Times there: "Rumsfeld Admires War Criminal."
Regenstein is definitely preoccupied with Grant and with his own Moses ancestors. How far he goes along with Rockwell's own obsessions, I don't know.
As South Africa and Rhodesia did for some time, the Old South welcomed Whites of different ethnic backgrounds who had useful talents and could fill important economic niches. Gentry and frontier societies have often shown such openness.
It's admirable, but ought to be seen in context. There were specific reasons and limits to that toleration.
Not the "mommy, she is doing it to defense." :)
You forgot TEXAS! :)
Just look at congress to see that anti-semitism is alive and well among the New England elite. Little has changed since hostilities were suspended.
I keep forgetting, in the southron world it's OK to trash Union figures but when we respond then we're big meanies.
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