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Nifong to give up more documents to defense (DukeLax)
Durham Herald-Sun ^ | October 27, 2006 | John Stevenson

Posted on 10/27/2006 5:00:15 AM PDT by abb

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To: Enterprise

And don't forget supporting the local economy to the tune of $800.


321 posted on 10/29/2006 1:50:22 PM PST by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Jezebelle
I think Brodhead (and Nan Keohane before him) as well as the Group of 88 despise students like the lacrosse team members. This is their Reichstag Fire - a phony excuse to persecute those they despise. They've created the Campus Culture Initiative. When speaking on Thursady night, Stephen Miller, of the Duke Conservative Union, said he's expecting the worst - more diversity training, more speech codes, etc., etc. Looking at the people on the Committee and I don't doubt it. And Brodhead will fund and implement it all due to a rape that didn't happen.
322 posted on 10/29/2006 2:18:18 PM PST by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: CondorFlight

At the media confab a week ago, Susannah Meadows said that they heard about it through other media (don't remember which) and she got assigned because she's a Duke alum. She basically disavowed the cover with the mug shots by saying it wasn't her decision. Contact any reporter about a headline over their byline and you'll get the same dodge - "I don't write the headlines".


323 posted on 10/29/2006 2:21:07 PM PST by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: All
OT: Not that the N&O would ever try to promote class warfare or anything. This was their headline story for today.

As home prices rise, some get a silent tax break
324 posted on 10/29/2006 2:25:56 PM PST by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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http://blogs.newsobserver.com/ruth/index.php?title=i_got_my_invite_but_guess_what_you_can_c&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1#comments

Hey Ruthie - pay attention. Someone has used your blog to name she who must not be named. And it's been there for 24 hours. Now, shudder, everyone will know.


325 posted on 10/29/2006 2:33:08 PM PST by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Locomotive Breath

I saw that yesterday. Not surprised that it has stayed up. N&O blogs apparently are not monitored well or at all.


326 posted on 10/29/2006 2:43:33 PM PST by Hogeye13
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To: Hogeye13

Maybe we should post it on a regular basis. It would force them to pay more attention to their blogs - heh. This was by the same poster who had a comment deleted for suggesting that Linda Williams ethnicity might have had something to do with her editorial decisions in March.


327 posted on 10/29/2006 3:33:57 PM PST by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: CondorFlight

The Newsweek reporter, Suzanne Meadows, is a Duke grad. I expect she learned of it rapidly through connections and came a'runnin'.


328 posted on 10/29/2006 3:34:56 PM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Locomotive Breath

The only people involved in all this that I can see who need diversity training are black Durhamites and 88 Duke faculty members. None of them seem to understand that white people are entitled to the same rights as blacks and other minorities.


329 posted on 10/29/2006 3:38:16 PM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Jezebelle

Oh, and add Brodhead and Liefong to the group.


330 posted on 10/29/2006 3:39:08 PM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Hogeye13

LOL! Prolly 'cuz it's the weekend. You know, kind of like when they said there was nobody around to monitor and nix the printing of the entire team roster?


331 posted on 10/29/2006 3:41:39 PM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Jezebelle
You make some good points, nevertheless, an honest mistake is still a mistake. Once my bank made an honest mistake and took money from my account that they shouldn't have. It wasn't malicious, they didn't mean to do it, and they didn't mean anything by it. It was a totally honest mistake.

But they still didn't get to keep my money.

DAs routinely drag trials out in order to bankrupt a defendant, hoping he won't be able to afford competent legal counsel. But even if they didn't, a trial still costs a defendant quite a bit of money. T'm sorry, but you can't put a price tag on an innocent man's freedom. Frankly, it doesn't matter how much an attorney charges if the defendant is in fact, innocent.

A loser pays system is as close as you can get to real fairness. It operates on the very simple principle of if you start some crap and lose, you pay. That goes for a defendant as well. If a defendant is found guilty, I see no reason why he shouldn't also be responsible for court costs, as long as the government doesn't try to do some stupid crap like seize the property of his relatives or spouse if he can't pay (which you know they'd try eventually).

The state, under no circumstances, if I'm innocent (or found Not Guilty as you say) should be able to put me out several thousand dollars and just go "oops!" when it's over. Banks don't get away with that, neither should Uncle Sam.
332 posted on 10/29/2006 3:55:49 PM PST by JamesP81 (Rights must be enforced; rights that you're not allowed to enforce are rights that you don't have.)
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To: JamesP81

So, OJ should have gotten all his hundreds of thousands back from the government?


333 posted on 10/29/2006 4:14:25 PM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: JamesP81
Banks don't get away with that, neither should Uncle Sam.

The problem is that any funds "paid" by the government are really paid by taxpayers. In areas where most of the voters actually pay taxes, this can provide some incentive for elected officials to avoid costing their constituents too much money. But in areas where most of the voters don't pay taxes, the voters may not mind someone whose malfeasance offers more excuse to 'sock it to the rich'.

334 posted on 10/29/2006 4:35:45 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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But in areas where most of the voters don't pay taxes, the voters may not mind someone whose malfeasance offers more excuse to 'sock it to the rich'.

Now that's a serious issue that there isn't any easy quick answer for. There's no way that any politician, anywhere, would ever suggest that everyone pay at least some taxes and I'm not even sure I'd be comfortable with it.

On the other hand, the voters are responsible for the actions of those they freely choose to represent them.

Certainly not an easy answer to this one, and it probably applies in this particular case since Nifong probably represents a lot of people who don't pay taxes.
335 posted on 10/29/2006 4:52:31 PM PST by JamesP81 (Rights must be enforced; rights that you're not allowed to enforce are rights that you don't have.)
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To: JamesP81
On the other hand, the voters are responsible for the actions of those they freely choose to represent them.

Yeah, but should people be responsible for the reckless actions of politicians they voted against? I suspect that if Nifong is elected but then gets a major judgement against the city, the vast majority of the cost will fall on people who voted against him (and who, in any case, had never voted for him previously).

336 posted on 10/29/2006 4:57:22 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: supercat
I don't know if there's any way around it. After all, we already pay taxes for things we disagree with. That may, in fact, be a travesty (the Founders thought so) but I don't see a way around it. In the end, it seems like no matter what you do, somebody gets screwed. It's just that if someone has to get screwed, I'm generally inclined to err on the side of the individual. Others are not, however.

Trust me to find something that it's almost impossible to find a solution to.
337 posted on 10/29/2006 5:12:07 PM PST by JamesP81 (Rights must be enforced; rights that you're not allowed to enforce are rights that you don't have.)
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More notice. Every little bit helps.

Victim one day - strip dancer the next [Betsy's Page]

Wow [Jonah Goldberg]

Re: "Wow!" Is Right on Nifong [Andy McCarthy]
338 posted on 10/29/2006 5:35:48 PM PST by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: JamesP81

An automatic rule, like loser pays, will not work. Believe me some companies use legal action as predatory attacks on others. You need some means of ascertaining the reasonableness of the overall case - both sides. Obviously those who pursue unsubstantiated, nuisance or frivolous cases deserve to pay the costs.


339 posted on 10/29/2006 5:36:21 PM PST by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: JamesP81

I worked for a metropolitan DA's office for thirty-two years. Based on that experience, it's my opinion that a vastly larger number of people beat the rap than there are those who get railroaded. Because of the vagaries of evidence, some cases are much harder to prosecute than others, but the crimes committed by these offenders are no less devastating than those committed by "dumber" criminals. Because of the vagaries of jurors, some cases end in surprise verdicts of NG or are hung juries. I see no good in forcing taxpayers to foot the bill for their defense because a case was lost due to the whim of some leftist judge who refused to admit certain evidence or jurors who are either dumber than a box of rocks or biased in favor of a defendant for hidden reasons unknown to the prosecution.

If judges and juries were failsafe, there might be a modicum of merit to your idea, but given that they are anything but failsafe, I find the idea totally impractical and unfair to the people.

What I do think would be a solution worth considering is a review process of a DA's performance in terms of ethical standards he casts for himself, his deputies and investigators. Such a review process should include the authority to levy fines on the department, penalties on the individual DA or deputy if there was malice or fraud aforethought in the unethical act, and reimbursements paid to the defendant for legal fees if the review board finds in favor of the acquitted defendant. But some automatic right to reimbursement of attorney fees because a judge or jury went haywire would not only create chaos, but there would be a helluva lot more criminals on the streets because no DA would want to prosecute unless they had an absolutely ironclad, irrefutable case. Even then, a successful prosecution depends on being able to get all that evidence admitted and a host of other variables. One never knows what can go wrong in a trial until the jury comes in, and some events are just beyond the prosecutor's control.


340 posted on 10/29/2006 5:49:51 PM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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