Posted on 10/18/2006 9:32:00 PM PDT by Eagle9
Downloaded it yesterday. Installed just fine, then forced a reboot to "complete the installation". After a reboot nothing happened in the foreground but the first and every subsequent time you opened the IE it tried to go to some link at microsoft.com (to presumably complete the installation.) It never connected, so it gave you an error page with a suggestion to diagnose your "connectivity problem". Click OK, it diagnoses and tells ya you don't got no connectivity problems.
What to do? Go to the MS website and IE7 support page that gives a phone numba. Dial it and the recording says "sorry, support for beta IE7 has been discontinued, go to our support site". Back to support site and some kind of forum where many other users report experiencing the same problem and no one comes with an answer.
In addition to all that, the user interface in IE7 is just awful, unintuitive, cluttered.
So you uninstall IE7 (it is possible), and what happens? All kinds of new problems with IE6: links and bookmarks now open in new windows of Firefox(!), and when that fixed blank windows open, in addition to new windows of IE, no info anywhere on how to fix.
As I said, another fine piece of work by Microsoft!
I would agree, and have a bootable CD of that. Like all Linux though it's very crude, I've only actually wasted a bootup on it twice.
I've got a Radeon9800 and there is not a snowballs chance in hell I'll ever buy another ATI card again. Buggy crap that constantly crashes one of the two online games I really enjoy.
I've already had to return the card once for hardware failure, which of course occurred over a Christmas holiday period. I'll be requesting an NVIDIA card for Christmas and may even buy and hand it to my lovely wife to wrap and give to me this season.
I also could never get Call of Duty 2 or MOH: Pacific to run without bogging down at certain places. COD2 would lag right near the beginning, effectively making it completely unplayable.
ATI = crap.
Well I'll be, you finally admitted you were wrong. Too bad you didn't even realize it. In case you're still confused, an "option" is the antitheses of "forced". Maybe one day it will hit you.
If a person buys the system from a store, they can have a store technician set it up with them. Guess what? Circuit City and Best Buy chooses "Automatic" by default.
Nope, now you're back to BS'ing again. I just bought my new HP laptop at Best Buy this past weekend, and I still was presented with the OPTION of enabling automatic updates or not sometime after I first booted it. Which I did enable of course, as any reasonably intelligent person would do, but I was certainly never FORCED to accept them.
A good definition of FORCED are the people who develop new versions of this Linux software, and when they try to sell them are FORCED to give the source code away for free. That is the definition of FORCED. When you have to do something, whether you want to or not. Let me know if you're still confused. Thanks.
NO, YOU ARE WRONG!
If the technician sets it up, he puts in the user's name, time zone, etc. HE ALSO ACCEPTS THE DEFAULT, "AUTOMATIC UPDATES"! The user doesn't even know.
YOU DON'T GET IT--This option has been fine 100% of the time UNTIL now. Now, it is being used to force down a different program with its own problems rather than a behind-the-scenes fix.
The vast majority of people do not realize this will be forced down to them rather than be another optional program that can chosen from Windows Update by hand.
What about this can you not get through your head?
I opened it up when I got home, and all the plastic was still sealed. I booted it up, selected time zone and a couple of other questions, and started using it.
First place I went was windowsupdate.com. I applied everything it said I needed, then reboot again. Some time later, hours if not days, it gave me the OPTION (capitalized since you don't seem to understand the meaning of the word) to enable Automatic Updates.
It wasn't FORCED, it was a user option. Best Buy never turned it on either. Next thing you'll probably claim is Bill Gates came down the chimney while I was asleep and turned it on LMAO.
PCLOS is MUCH better if you install it and configure it, do the updates etc. get the PCLOS BigDaddy 0.93a(Dual boot with WinXP works like a charm)
When I do a FRESH INSTALL of WINXP it will ask you if you want to turn on automatic updates during the install process(it will recomend that you do so, but it doesn't force you to choose yes you cant choose no) then when you go to windows update to get all the updates that update site will tell you of your automatic update status(on or off) etc.. as said before i have mine set to just tell me of update but not to download or install them just to remind me. and I go to windows update and get them myself.
I said in my prior post, which you apparently didn't read before responding, the following:
If the technician sets it up, he puts in the user's name, time zone, etc. HE ALSO ACCEPTS THE DEFAULT, "AUTOMATIC UPDATES"! The user doesn't even know.
Again, I said "IF THE TECHNICIAN SETS IT UP...".
Open your dang eyes.
I know, I have it set up that same way. BUT MOST DON'T, JUST AS MOST PEOPLE HAVEN'T CLEANED THEIR SYSTEMS OF SPYWARE, etc.
You have it set up that way (as do I) to review things. But most people don't and wouldn't think they should or shouldn't allow "Security Patch 37489495" or "XML Patch Update 2383489348" from being installed. So they "trust" Microsoft on this. Again, that has been fine because until now, Microsoft's policies haven't installed totally new programs with noted problems. This will be the first. If they don't know to expect this change in policy, they won't even know they should undo the default "Automatic Updates" option.
What, it plays a few more (though still not nearly all) media files, even though I can get all of them with Windows, or even Apple? I can't think of much else that would be much better than just using the live CD. Neither one is up to my standards anyway, thanks.
MS update descriptions are cryptic at best.
Secrity Patch to prevent malicious takeover of computer
or some such vaugue language.
So why am I not installing those patches? (now really trying to uninstall...)
Obviously now you're trying to change the argument. First you said everyone was "FORCED", now you're down to "IF you buy it at Best Buy, and IF you're so clueless about computers you have to pay Best Buy $100 bucks or whatever it is to boot it up for you the first time, you MIGHT get automatic updates installed." Not that you couldn't turn it off later, anyway, no one is being FORCED to do anything against their will.
Open your dang eyes.
To what, your bogus insistence I was FORCED to turn automatic updates on for my new laptop, when I know darn well I was presented with an OPTION?
I agree, Linux isn't 100% ready for prime time.. but its close people that are are that MAD at MS I guess thats what they will be looking at and PCLOS(TEXAS) and MEPIS(West Virginia) IMHO are the best.
you dont really have many media codecs with the live cd..
Everyone who has the default "Automatic Updates" option chosen will have IE7 forced down, overwriting IE6 next month. They aren't expecting this, as this option has only installed fixes, not new programs with different functions.
You are a technical person to even care about reviewing patches. 95% of people aren't like you or me, so their systems will be hit with IE7 one morning without warning. Some website won't work for them. Some systems won't install it right and be frozen without a working browser if IE6 was their only browser.
That is precisely what I've always had.
Now, go preach that selection to the 100 million people who didn't realize that was an important option (which it wasn't until this change in Microsoft policy came to be known).
Yeah, I know, it's an OPTION, none of us have been FORCED to use it as this guy keeps claiming. For some reason some folks just go bonkers whenever this stuff is discussed, I think it comes from a limited understanding of technology, and the subsequent feeling of helplessness.
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