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1 posted on 10/12/2006 12:05:12 PM PDT by domenad
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Thursday afternoon gun porn!

For concealed carry, try this baby:

Smith And Wesson Model 649 Five-Round .357MAG / .38+P

39 posted on 10/12/2006 1:31:49 PM PDT by Rummyfan
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domenad,

Posts# 2, 3 & 27 pretty much sum it up. Don't worry about the debate -- it will go on forever. $:-) I carry various semiautos myself, but that means I also have to deal with more complexity, more maintainence, and more regular training.

One thing that must be taken into supreme consideration when making the decision of choosing a firearm for the purpose of self-defense: The person's mindset must be adapted to actually being able to pull the trigger on another human being. This is not something to take lightly, and if this isn't considered and decided beforehand in the affirmative, it's better to never even show a weapon.

For people who cannot find it in themselves to kill if and when the need arises (and there certainly are such people and that's OK), flight is better.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

40 posted on 10/12/2006 1:40:34 PM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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.357 Lady Smith. Made for smaller sized hands. She can practice with .38 loads and keep the heavier hitting .357 rounds for IF she really need them. Hammerless DAO prevents it from hanging up IF she decides on purse carry. Some folks recommend against purse carry and instead og for a wasteband or garter type CCW rig.

Training is a MUST. I'd hate to see it become a legal requirement, but it really IS one of those things that everyone should stop and take the time to do. Even if it's only a couple hours with an instructor at a range. You have to have faith in your tools, what they do, and how you use them.

For you.... "large" martial artist that you are. Anything belt fed should do the trick. Unless you know how to low block a 9mm slug moving at 900fps, try and find something in .40 S&W or .45 ACP flavor. Teppo Do beats Akkido 10 times out of 10.

46 posted on 10/12/2006 1:56:11 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Well, my days of not taking your seriously are certainly coming to a middle)
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I haven't read through all the posts but in addition to visiting ranges, etc and trying guns, your wife needs some education in situational awareness and how to manage the one big projectile she has control of now, her car.

The lug behind her should not have had the opportunity to approach her vehicle and bang on it.


47 posted on 10/12/2006 1:59:54 PM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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Count me among the revolver dudes. Once you get into shooting, you'll find that you just can't have too many revolvers around. They're a joy to shoot, and full of advantages.


49 posted on 10/12/2006 2:02:00 PM PDT by OKSooner
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How about a 45mm? That ought to have enough punch to discourage road rage incidents.

From another thread ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1718207/posts ), where a teacher got suspended for having a "toy gun [that] strongly resembled a 45 mm gun," I understand that they are small enough to put in your back pocket.

As long as the clip isn't in it, that is.


50 posted on 10/12/2006 2:02:01 PM PDT by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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I know you're all panting to know what I think ... First, she needs to get her head right. Does she want a gun, can she visualize her way through using it, and seeing little pieces parts of the bad guy splattered on somebody's windshield. Is she ready to be sued by The Brady Bunch on behalf of his little (crack-baby, but who's counting) daughter and his grieving widow?

Is she ready to USE a gun (before the bad guy can take it from her) and to use it effectively -- to STOP the guy?

Can she say, "I was in fear for my life and safety and I shot to eliminate the threat, and now I'd like to talk to my lawyer, please."

Then, she probably needs a gun to practice with so that when the battle-flag goes up she's at least used to pulling the trigger, and knows how close the guy has to be before she can put one where she wants to.

And that means, her first gun probably won't be her last. One's tastes change as one shoots. And those itty-bitty titanium wonders hurt to shoot. I'm done in abougt 25 rounds with mine -- actually I'm done in about 2 rounds.

So I carry a Sig p239. It's fun to shoot, so I practice with it. And it works. In 9 mm they're a dream. But that's just MY hand and MY eye.

I'm agin purse-carry. Get your purse snatched and you're in some kind of trouble and you have on your conscience that your gun is in the hands of a bad guy. I could see fanny pack carry. I don't mind if a cop knows I'm packing. But strong side IWB is my choice.

I don't think it's good to try to find an inexpensive and convenient way to defend your life. Yeah there are budged and other constraints. But, again, when the battle flag goes up --as it has, I have taken comfort in drawing my good weapon with which I am familiar from a holster which kept it concealed but put it nicely into my hand, and in the confidence I have had that EVEN though the adrenaline is pumping through my system, time has dilated, I am hearing nothing but me and the bad guy, who somehow looks further away than he really is but still well within my range of accuracy -- it's a confort to know that I can do what has to be done, I've trained, I've thought it through, and if he doesn't have a sudden change of plan it's going to get funky.

I'm not swaggering (well, maybe a little). I am saying that it's more than a conveniently concealable gun involved. It's saying, "My life is worth saving. My spouse, my friends, my kids need me alive. I am ready and willing to do what the situation calls for." I think anything less than that kind of personal prep means things could turn out very badly.

Here endeth the rant.


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51 posted on 10/12/2006 2:02:58 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Now we are all Massoud)
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If you are new to the wonderful world of guns, the there is ONE book you must read: Boston's Gun Bible. Best to buy at javelinpress.com.

It will tell you EVERYTHING you need to know to start making intelligent purchase decision. The author is a big fan of Glock, which is OK, but what you learn from the book about calibers, carry mentality, etc. it most valuable. It will also include a ton of great info on other matters you will probably want to know about.

If you are a "virgin" and have never bought a gun, consider keeping yourself off Hillary's midnight raid lists by buying in a private sale (legal in most free states) as discussed here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/780255/posts?page=45#45
53 posted on 10/12/2006 2:04:08 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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Glock 19


55 posted on 10/12/2006 2:07:01 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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Smith&Wesson has a number of light weight, small frame revolvers that would be great for your wife(my mom has one that she is very happy with). For a larger frame, durable and reasonably priced revolver I would look at the GP100 from Ruger even though I'm still angry with Ruger for bending over for the anti-gunners.


56 posted on 10/12/2006 2:08:55 PM PDT by Uriah_lost (M.I.E. Mainer In Exile I'll come back when the Massholes go home.)
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I got a 3" Springfield XD in 9mm for my wife. It's small, light, infinitely reliable, and very easy to maintain.

Link

We keep our car guns in lock boxes


57 posted on 10/12/2006 2:09:06 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To supplement my advice above, the order of things is:

1. Read, research (Boston's Gun Bible)
2. Instruction (find intro pistol class for people who do not yet own guns)
3. Test. (Find a range that rents guns, and shoot them all, until your experience tells you which one is right.)
4. Buy. (One for each of you)
5. Practice.
6. Have fun, make friends at the range.
7. Get carry permits
8. Repeat steps 1-6, especially 2, 5, and 6.
58 posted on 10/12/2006 2:10:55 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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My dad got me a nice, semi-auto 9mm. It fits my hand and I can hit my target. I love Arizona. We can all walk around with our guns on our sides and it's perfectly legal. Generally, nobody bothers the ones who carry weopons on their sides.


59 posted on 10/12/2006 2:12:52 PM PDT by MeliJara
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Some personal opinions, which you should dutifully ignore along with all others until you have read the "Bible".

1. I would never let a loved one rely on a Glock. There are too many creepy stories about negligent discharges, and I have heard about them discharging without the trigger even being touched when the frame is torqued. These are very controversial, open to dispute, and Glocks are still great guns. But there are other EUro brands that compete and arguably exceed without all the worrisome stories. (HK, Sig, etc.)

2. The best carry gun is one you CARRY (but as powerful as possible given that.) Cost no object, 9mm pocket gun from www.rohrbaughfirearms.com is a real ideal (but over $1000, and worth it.) Realistic option at 1/4 the price is Kel-Tec P3AT(?) (.380 ACP)

3. It is a myth that delicate women have trouble with powerful calibers. A 45 can be perfect. Don't let anyone teach your lady to be frightened. Get good instruction first, and ignore the boobs (there are lots of them.)

4. Get the best holster you can, and plan on buying several until you get the perfect one for each season and carry type.

5. Don't try to be too rational or analytical about your purchasing decision. You'll buy more later anyway. The most important thing is that you need to LOVE the gun, the way it looks, shoots, feels. You need to feel pride of ownership. that's because it will make you want to practice, and make you want to carry it with you. Without those things, you may as well pick a different hobby.
63 posted on 10/12/2006 2:26:14 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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Oh, and you need to know now that there is one universally correct answer to every gun purchasing dilemma:

BOTH!

64 posted on 10/12/2006 2:29:30 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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Chiming in over mostly old ground. Try before you buy is a great idea, and some ranges will drop membership requirements if they know that's what you're doing. Chat up the Range Officer and if he's like mine you'll get the guided tour through the display case.

For this specific purpose a smallish revolver in .38 Special would do nicely. Slightly larger frames will accommodate .357 magnum, which isn't much fun to practice with but is an outstanding self-defense caliber when matched with the proper bullet. My 77-year-old Mom tried half a dozen firearms before she settled on her own LadySmith.

Far, far more important is to get her some lessons and practice, practice, practice, and then more practice. By all means pursue concealed carry licenses. In some states - I don't know about Florida - it makes it much easier just to carry the piece to the range for practice. And it means that in times when sphincters start to tighten you'll be carrying legally, and that makes a lot of difference to a nervous LEO.

Lastly, study the laws pertinent to your area. HERE are the Florida laws. I'd recommend www.packing.org for anyone else who might be curious about their own state's laws.

And as someone else said, if you're really in a quandary about which gun to buy, buy both. ;-)

65 posted on 10/12/2006 2:44:54 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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I also say the small to medium frame 38 or 357 (revolver obviously).

No jams, easy to understand and operate. Best choice.

Brand? S&W, Ruger, Colt, Taurus


66 posted on 10/12/2006 2:46:25 PM PDT by Hazcat (Live to party, work to afford it.)
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Paxton Quigley has a new book out, we have her earlier work (Armed and Female) and it's pretty good, my wife actually read most of it and has been making noises about going on a course.
68 posted on 10/12/2006 3:16:53 PM PDT by 1066AD
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Glock makes a very fine, compact 9mm which would be an excellent self-defense pistol. Also, after my grandfather died, my grandmother bought herself a .38 which she got to like and became quite proficient with.


71 posted on 10/12/2006 3:21:21 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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http://www.thearmedcitizen.com/gunladys/

As a beginner, stay away from Glocks and any pistol with the safety on the trigger. Keep the pistol on you instead of in a purse like someone already mentioned. Your defensive calibers start at .38 special or nine millimeter. Don't use anything smaller. Try to rent before buying. Look at reputable manufactures like Colt, Smith, Taurus, Ruger, Kimber, Springfield Armory. Don't even think about a Derringer.

Buying a firearm for defensive use is now your new hobby and obssesion. Get a good instuctor and practice as much as you can.


72 posted on 10/12/2006 3:48:39 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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