Posted on 10/11/2006 1:52:56 AM PDT by abb
I agree 100 percent; he's going for the gold.
In the domestic violence context, DAs sometimes go forward with cases even if a spouse refuses to go forward. They rely on other evidence. Of course, in this case there is no other evidence but Nifong is such a lunatic that may not matter. Hasn't mattered so far. FOr all we know, Precious has already decided not to go forward (like she has done every other time she has accused people of serious felonies) and Nifong is burying her until after the election.
And yes, you do have a right to confront your accuser which renders the decision to go forward moot and stupid.
They have no choice now; they HAVE to clear their names.
Do you expect them to jump for joy if she backs down and go on with their lives?
Their lives are in ruins and they have to do something to reclaim them and prove their innocence.
It's naive to think they will let this go.
674 posted on 10/14/2006 10:24:53 PM CDT by Howlin (Why Won't Nancy Pelosi Let Louis Freeh Investigate the Page Scandal?)
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I told you before and I'll say it again: these families are MAJOR players; they will not stand for this being brushed under the rug on a technicality like her not testifying.
They are some VERY powerful people and they have VERY powerful friends; these are the kind of people who sweep into two in a new administartion; they hang out with Ben and Sally Bradlee; they ARE going to prove their sons innocent beyond any doubt. IMO, of course.
677 posted on 10/14/2006 10:27:22 PM CDT by Howlin (Why Won't Nancy Pelosi Let Louis Freeh Investigate the Page Scandal?)
"And for starters they NEED a trial to do it."
Maybe even just depositions would work.
The players' story can also be told in detailed books about the case--the public can get the truth, and their alibis, and learn about the corruption in Durham, from these.
Eventually the public will believe the truth--but in the Tawana Brawley case, there were still some supporters of the accuser for a time. Now, you can't find them anywhere. But that will probably happen in this case, too.
No, jenny, he can't. He was (supposedly) referring to discussions about the case, which would be subject to discovery - that being the subject matter at the time - and that other conversations with Mangum pertaining to strategy and theory are work product and not subject o discovery, so we don't really know how many meetings he has actually had with her. Further, he could have relayed this through Gottlieb. Since Liefong is in charge, it doesn't matter that much if he says it directly or transmits it through Gottlieb. Please, it's the essence of the message that is important, not whether Liefong said it directly or had Gottlieb do it.
Al Sharpton? :-)
I want the guys cleared too. If this were happening to my brother I'd want him cleared to the fullest extent possible. I wouldn't want him going through life under a cloud. The question is, how do you make that happen?
I agree that it would be a good thing if Crystal would throw Nifong under a bus and claim he pressured her into going forward. If she just drops out though that leaves Nifong room to say - hey, I would have won the case but she's just too traumatized. That's not good. I think they'd have to pursue a a civil action of some sort, or maybe what Dukie07 is suggesting - I've never heard of that before.
A trial would expose the truth but be an ordeal. I have a feeling it would be long and drawn out. And you can't predict a jury although I find it impossible to believe Nifong could get all 12 jurors to convict. I don't relish the idea of them going to trial. I just want them to get their reputations back. Somehow. I want them made whole again.
He can subpoena her.
That would be interesting, wouldn't it? He's just dumb enough to believe that if he subpoenas her it will look like he's forcing her to tell the truth on the stand.
"Al Sharpton? :-) "
I think Big Al actually said once, early on, that he thought the AV in Durham was lying.
Haven't heard from him since. . .
I don't think Liefong wants her to fold until after the election. She's still his only hope for a win. If she caves now, everybody will know he had no case, even the few delusionals lefties and black Durhamites that want whitey hung out to dry, no matter if they're guilty. Remember them? They won't vote for him if she caves in now.
I don't know NC law, but if the case goes to trial and there's an acquittal, there may be a petition process for a factual finding of innocence at that time.
Skip a criminal trial. Let some of the unindicted players sue the AV in their home states. That will put things on the record. And keep the 3 from having to endure even more
court proceedings.
He can't go forward without Precious. She IS his case. He has nothing else that I can see. He has to have her testimony. I suppose he could try and force her onto the stand but I doubt he'd do that.
Unfortunately there aren't many options open to them now that Nifong has forced the issue, are there?
Big Al made the call to come on down, but he was unceremoniously uninvited.
They already had more than their share of race pimps down there and didn't need anymore. :-)
O/T, but what happened to Kevin Miller? He was all over the place and then he left WPTF while I was otherwise involved this summer.
Did he get too big a head and they let him go?
All I can think if why would anybody leave this area with the case of the decade getting ready to go live.
Catching up here, trying to refocus.
How unusual is it that an investigator or Nifong did not interiew any of the three lax players?
Nevertheless, not facing the possibility of thirty years in prison is better than facing a trial that can put you there. No lawyer would ever let his client face a criminal trial when a dismissal can be had.
Lawsuits would be the route to take to prove innocence then.
There may be other procedural steps that can be taken. There are attorneys who specialize in that area of criminal law.
There may be other procedural steps that can be taken.
How can you sue if you've never been tried?
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