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SOLD! America II
Renew America ^ | September 14, 2006 | Bonnie Alba

Posted on 09/15/2006 5:40:18 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: Tokra
You are forgetting the "hidden " labor costs in the US. If Levi pays a worker $20 an hour, it will actually cost Levi $35 an hour. Then there are all the other "hidden" costs - unemployment insurance, taxes, regulations, etc.

Sounds like Mexico would be more to your liking.

61 posted on 09/15/2006 9:29:35 AM PDT by lucysmom
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To: Chuck Dent
Wages can only increase in proportion to productivity.

Wage increases once drove increased productivity through innovation (that's what made the US the leader it once was). Now the most innovative idea American industry has seems to be moving production off shore.

62 posted on 09/15/2006 9:37:39 AM PDT by lucysmom
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To: lucysmom
Sounds like Mexico would be more to your liking.

What on earth are you talking about? Just because I state the facts doesn't mean I "like" them.

When the weatherman predicts a hurricane - does that mean he wants to live in one?

You are using Leftist logic.

63 posted on 09/15/2006 10:22:24 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Tokra
If you insist on paying Americans a "living wage" of $15 - $20 an hour to make Levis, then Levis will cost $100 a pair.

If Levis cost $100 a pair, then Americans working other American jobs with good pay will be able to afford them like they afford $20 jeans now.

Up until the last few decades we made what we needed here and traded with each other. This is how America became a world power and wealthy.

Give me some reasoning why we should enrich other countries at our expense, and independence.

64 posted on 09/15/2006 10:33:31 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: William Terrell
Give me some reasoning why we should enrich other countries at our expense, and independence.

After you give me a reason why you think that I agree with any of this. Just because I report what is happening does not mean I defend it or even like it. I don't like it, but burying my head in the sand will not make it all go away.

Just like I told the other poster - do you think the weatherman should "give you some reasoning" why tornados should destroy peoples homes, just because he was the one to give the tornado warning?

I don't follow your logic.

65 posted on 09/15/2006 10:43:17 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: CORedneck
American workers are required to be loyal to their companies

A lot of truth there. We don't want to look at Corporations since they are such a big part of America. 80% of the economy.

66 posted on 09/15/2006 10:47:15 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Tokra
I don't follow your logic.

My logic illustrates the attitude, "Oh, well they done it to us, so we'll just have to take it."

Sorry. I don't agree. Fight it; words and action. If you don't, then the result your inaction brings about is indistinguishable from the result brought about by acting in it's support.

67 posted on 09/15/2006 10:55:27 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: William Terrell
Fight it; words and action. If you don't, then the result your inaction brings about is indistinguishable from the result brought about by acting in it's support.

The iceman fought the advent of refrigerators, the blacksmith fought the advent of the automobile, the office tabulators and file clerks fought the advent of the computer. What good did it do any of them?

But when the iceman lost his job - the refrigerator repairman found his. When the blacksmith lost his job, the auto mechanic found his, when the tabulator lost his job, the computer programmer found his.

The world is changing and the old American factory jobs are going the way of the dinosaur. You can fight against it all you want - but it won't change a thing.

However, for every job that is lost - a new one will take its place. We have to learn to swim WITH the tide and not against it.

Again, none of this means that I personally like it or agree with it. But putting on blinders and pretending that it will alll go away does no good at all.

68 posted on 09/15/2006 11:05:42 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Tokra
You are leaving out a couple of important pieces of information. If you say the iceman lost his job, but the refrigerator found his, you are wrong. The iceman didn't lose his job because the government created programs that ultimately forced his job offshore. In the days of the iceman, the government did not act unilaterally to decimate whole sectors of the economy so that it could provide trade giveaways at international trade rounds. If the local modernized and households bought refrigerators, the need for icemen diminished. In today's centrally planned global economy, elites attending the trade rounds decide which countries will get which sectors. It is flatly antiAmerican, completely orchestrated and totally unconstitutional.

The pretending going on is that this economy is a natural progression of some sort, when indeed it is part of a global planning process that usurps the rights of American citizens to control their own destiny.
69 posted on 09/15/2006 12:29:38 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
You might want to check your history book. The icemen lost their jobs in the early 1930s - just when the federal goverment was interfering with the economy big time.

I'm sorry - I just don't buy the tin hat theory that Bush, Cheney and Queen Beatrice are plotting to turn the world into one global entity.

You, of course are entitled to believe what you wish.

70 posted on 09/15/2006 12:50:47 PM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: CORedneck

And it hasn't been for years.


71 posted on 09/15/2006 1:01:56 PM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Is Bonnie Jerome Corsi in drag?


72 posted on 09/15/2006 1:02:21 PM PDT by pissant
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To: Tokra
No. This current migration to inequitable trade has nothing to do with new technology replacing old. The technology and methods being "traded" as templates for foreign manufacture is leading edge.

It has to do with a building a foundation for a global government and dissolving the sovereignty of nations, as has been admitted outright for almost two decades.

You can bow your knee to it. I will not.

73 posted on 09/15/2006 1:57:01 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: ex-Texan
Foreign Ownership of US Domestic Industries
This data comes from IRS (Internal Revenue Service) - Current as of 2002 (latest data available) Foreign ownership refers to ownership of assets of a particular industry by foreign controlled domestic U.S. Corporations (FDC) 50% or more owned by a foreign entity.
 
 
INDUSTRY
PERCENTAGE FOREIGN OWNED
 
Sound recording industries
97%
 
Commodity contracts dealing and brokerage
79%
 
Motion picture and sound recording industries
75%
 
Metal ore mining
65%
 
Motion picture and video industries
64%
 
 
Wineries and distilleries
64%
 
Database, directory, and other publishers
63%
 
Book publishers
63%
 
Cement, concrete, lime, and gypsum product
62%
 
Engine, turbine and power transmission equipment
57%
 
 
Rubber product
53%
 
Nonmetallic mineral product manufacturing
53%
 
Plastics and rubber products manufacturing
52%
 
Plastics product
51%
 
Other insurance related activities
51%
 
 
Boiler, tank, and shipping container
50%
 
Glass and glass product
48%
 
Coal mining
48%
 
Sugar and confectionery product
48%
 
Nonmetallic mineral mining and quarrying
47%
 
 
Advertising and related services
41%
 
Pharmaceutical and medicine
40%
 
Clay, refractory, and other nonmetallic mineral products
40%
 
Securities brokerage
38%
 
Other general purpose machinery
37%
 
 
Audio and video equipment mfg and reproducing magnetic and optical media
36%
 
Support activities for mining
36%
 
Soap, cleaning compound, and toilet preparation
32%
 
Chemical manufacturing
30%
 
Industrial machinery
30%
 
 
Securities, commodity contracts, and other financial investments and related activities
30%
 
Other food
29%
 
Motor vehicles and parts
29%
 
Machinery manufacturing
28%
 
Other electrical equipment and component
28%
 
 
Securities and commodity exchanges and other financial investment activities
27%
 
Architectural, engineering, and related services
26%
 
Credit card issuing and other consumer credit
26%
 
Petroleum refineries (including integrated)
25%
 
Navigational, measuring, electromedical, and control instruments
25%
 
 
Petroleum and coal products manufacturing
25%
 
Transportation equipment manufacturing
25%
 
Commercial and service industry machinery
25%
 
Basic chemical
24%
 
Investment banking and securities dealing
24%
 
 
Semiconductor and other electronic component
23%
 
Paint, coating, and adhesive.
22%
 
Printing and related support activities
21%
 
Chemical product and preparation
20%
 
Iron, steel mills, and steel products
20%
 
 
Agriculture, construction, and mining machinery
20%
 
Publishing industries
20%
 
Medical equipment and supplies
20%


  FOREIGN OWNERSHIP OF MAJOR U.S. INDUSTRIES

 
INDUSTRY
PERCENTAGE FOREIGN OWNED
 
Mining
27%
 
Information
24%
 
Manufacturing
20%
 
Professional, scientific, and technical services
20%
 
Finance and insurance
11%


74 posted on 09/15/2006 3:04:22 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: raybbr
Add this fact to the mix: Mortgages are packaged and sold on Wall Street as mortgage obligations (CMOs). Foreign companies and foreign governments purchase these debt obligations. How many $ Trillions in mortgage obligations are owned by China, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Japan, and/ or Iran ? Nobody in government even cares. But how would Americans feel if they learned the home they live in is owned by a foreign country?
75 posted on 09/15/2006 3:19:05 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Matthew 7: 1 - 6)
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To: raybbr
Motion picture industry is scary enough, but can I assume that, since the broadcast media is not listed, there is no foreign ownership of it?

76 posted on 09/15/2006 3:43:52 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Tokra
I'm sorry - I just don't buy the tin hat theory that Bush, Cheney and Queen Beatrice are plotting to turn the world into one global entity.

At what point in the process would you believe it? After it's a done deal?

77 posted on 09/15/2006 3:46:13 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: William Terrell
Motion picture industry is scary enough, but can I assume that, since the broadcast media is not listed, there is no foreign ownership of it?

Hard to tell. I do notice that most of the acquisitions involve the UK. Lots of Middle East money involved, I think.

78 posted on 09/15/2006 4:03:07 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: ex-Texan
How many $ Trillions in mortgage obligations are owned by China, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Japan, and/ or Iran ? Nobody in government even cares. But how would Americans feel if they learned the home they live in is owned by a foreign country?

You're such a clown. If you don't understand the difference between holding the mortgage and owning the house, there's no hope for you.

79 posted on 09/15/2006 7:08:12 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Goldbugs, immune to logic and allergic to facts.)
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To: hedgetrimmer
That doesn't prove that compensation has gone up, only the cost to the employer for providing it.

You flunked math and reading comprehension.

If it costs an employer 10% more to compensate their employees, that means compensation has increased by 10%. LOL!

80 posted on 09/15/2006 7:19:35 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Goldbugs, immune to logic and allergic to facts.)
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