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Detective got tough with Duke students (Herr Gottlieb's Record)
Raleigh News & Observer ^ | September 9, 2006 | Michael Biesecker, Samiha Khanna and Matt Dees

Posted on 09/09/2006 2:39:24 AM PDT by abb

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To: Locomotive Breath

I e-mailed Neff about Crystal's use of the name "Dan" as one of her attackers in her written statement. It seems she ID'd 4 players on 4/4 and used 4 names on 4/6 in her written statement. Dan, Adam, Brett, and Matt are all apparently in her 4/6 statement.




Bill,
Thanks for your email. I've read her report a number of times, but I didn't pick up on this detail. In her account, she does refer to one of her alleged attackers at one point as Dan. In the rest of her account, she refers to Adam, Brett and Matt.
Keep in touch.
Cheers
Joe


On Sep 15, 2006, at 7:00 PM, Bill wrote:


Mr. Neff,

In this article, you wrote this as part of the accuser's April 6th written statement:

"Three men dragged her into the bathroom and raped her, she wrote. They kicked her in the behind and back, hit her in the face, choked her and screamed racial obscenities."

On the June 20th Abrams Report show, Susan Filan is much more specific about who did what in this part of that written statement:

"They started kicking me in my behind and my back. Matt hit me in the face while Dan and Brett kicked me."

I wonder if you can tell me if the accuser actually wrote the line:

"Matt hit me in the face while Dan and Brett kicked me."


(Neff)Yes



Did the accuser use those names, and more specifically, did she use the name Dan, or Adam?

I recall that the warrants say that a player identified himself as Adam, but everyone called him Dan. Presumably then, Adam was his real name. Either that, or he was using two aliases, as no Adam or Dan is charged.

At any rate, I was wondering if you can tell me whether the accuser used "Adam" or "Dan" in her April 6th written statement.

Thanks for your time.

Bill

http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/468272.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13459381/

_________________
Joseph Neff


401 posted on 09/18/2006 10:43:58 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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The police chief said officers patrolling Trinity Park were specifically instructed to arrest problem students rather than cite them. Gottlieb not only was carrying out those directions, Chalmers said, but was likely to have made more arrests than other officers because he volunteered to work extra shifts patrolling areas near Duke's campus.

All you need to know about Gottlieb.

402 posted on 09/18/2006 11:04:41 AM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: maggief
Both the N & O and H-S carrying the water for Gottlieb and Chalmer's.

Sickening.

But not surprising......

403 posted on 09/18/2006 11:05:56 AM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: abb

I hope this judge read the motions.


404 posted on 09/18/2006 11:09:31 AM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: pepperhead

Leader of Durham NAACP to step down

by CAROLYN NORTON : The Herald-Sun, Sep 17, 2006 : 9:45 pm ET

DURHAM -- When the president of the Durham chapter of the NAACP's term in office runs out in December, he doesn't plan to run again.

The Rev. Charles D. Smith of Union Baptist Church said it was time for him to step down.

"I think two years is enough for me," Smith said. "I've had a good experience of it."

Smith counts among his accomplishments building local membership in the branch.

Most recently, Smith decried an effort by the state chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People to boycott Target. Smith said that while the NAACP's national president, Bruce Gordon, recommended in July that blacks stay away from Target stores, activists locally "have no concern about Target." Smith spoke out after Amina Turner, executive director of the state chapter, presented the issue to the City Council.

Smith said the matter "hasn't come up" in meetings of the Durham chapter or its executive committee since Gordon's July 17 speech, and that no members had voiced displeasure with the retailer to him.

The Durham chapter may have as many as 600 members, according to an estimate by its membership committee.

The state chapter of the NAACP is also in Durham, having moved from Greensboro recently.

So far, only one person has stepped up publicly to say he wants to succeed Smith -- a candidate Smith said he supported. Fred Foster Jr. is the branch's political chair, and a member of the Durham Committee on the Affairs of Black People. He's chairman of the Durham Voter Coalition and treasurer of the Durham County Democratic Party. -cut-

http://www.heraldsun.com/durham/4-770648.html


Letter: N&O, Sep 18, 2006 12:30 AM

Fight resegregation

Thanks for your support (editorial, Sept. 9) for NAACP President Rev. William J. Barber, and his call to the State of North Carolina to stop the tide of resegregation in our schools. Attorney General Roy Cooper should file a friend of the court brief in support of the right of local school boards to counter the tide of resegregation our children are experiencing in many cities.

You wrote that "It took hard work by the courts and local school districts in the 1960s and '70s to dismantle those barriers" of segregation. Courts and school boards were important factors in this nation's proudest decade, when we aligned the words of our Constitution and the moral teachings of our faiths to start the long process of breaking down racist structures in education and society. But let us also record that millions of African-American and many white parents and children risked their careers and sometimes their lives on this first step toward equality. These brave families were ably represented by brave NAACP lawyers, who worked through long nights to write and argue the cases which encouraged the courts and school boards to find their moral bearings.

Alan McSurely

Chair, Legal Redress Committee, State Conference of NAACP, Durham

http://www.newsobserver.com/580/story/487622.html

* Durham is most fortunate to have these folks
hard at work helping us find our moral bearings.


405 posted on 09/18/2006 11:38:31 AM PDT by xoxoxox
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To: xoxoxox


The NAACP called for a gag order (unusual for them in that they usually oppose gag orders). They pushed the line that this case had a racial component; and shared a rally with the NOI and NBBP (with Shabazz as the keynote speaker). Everyone there was addressed as "brother and sister".

Naively, before this case I had supposed that some of the people in the NAACP, especially those in the higher branches, still believed in what they presumably stood for; and would see through all of the hype and come out on the side of truth no matter what.

I stand corrected now.

(AFAIK, the state branch is still showing an 80-point list of accusations about the rape case--inflamatory, and keeping the lie alive.)


406 posted on 09/18/2006 12:04:06 PM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: CondorFlight
Nifong Tarnishes the NAACP

http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/2006/08/nifong-tarnishes-naacp.html

407 posted on 09/18/2006 12:26:47 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: abb; Locomotive Breath

Interesting that Elgin Mellown wrote a letter supporting hte Durham PD in its crackdown on students. Mrs. Recall and I were students in Elgin Mellown's class at different times. We were surprised that he would write such a letter. We both enjoyed the experience and one of our first dates was a mixer he held at his house in Trinty Park when she was a student in his class! He was very soft spoken and a gentleman, and must be in his eighties by now. The fact that he would write such a letter tells me three things: First, the neighborhood had really had it with the partying; Second, even reasonable people in Trinity Park no longer cared how the police addressed the issue, even if it involved over the top tactics, such as cuffing, embarrassment, imprisonment, criminal records, etc. Third, Coach K is correct that the faculty at Duke has lost sight of hte fact that they are in the "kid business." The faculty at Duke have acted despicably; Mellown supporting the pot bangers at the expense of Duke students is disappointing, and believe me he would have been last on the list to support this nonsense.

Wholesale changes may be in order.


408 posted on 09/18/2006 3:21:55 PM PDT by RecallMoran (Recall Brodhead)
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Link to new thread.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1703894/posts?page=1


409 posted on 09/18/2006 5:21:28 PM PDT by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: pepperhead
Re: HS/Ashley: Li'l blogger give-and-go...
410 posted on 09/18/2006 6:07:17 PM PDT by NDLax84
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To: CondorFlight

I meant unidentified DNA. We already know about the boyfriend's DNA.


411 posted on 09/18/2006 7:40:16 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: CondorFlight

My point was that there was no unidentified DNA found on Mangum to compare to, unlike the Innocence Project cases.

Apples and oranges. None of the circumstances in those cases parallel this case in any way.


412 posted on 09/18/2006 7:43:52 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: SarahUSC

Actually, what Mangum is alleging is probably closer to "acquaintance" rape, inasmuch as "stranger" rape means a complete, never-before-seen attacker from an unknown population. The fact that she claimed to have names and a known population of potential attackers makes them "acquainted."


413 posted on 09/18/2006 7:47:07 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Jezebelle

Well, there's none until Nifong pulls it out of his hat and claims the report wasn't finished.


414 posted on 09/19/2006 6:35:09 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: RecallMoran
Keep in mind that the 88 are but a small fraction of the Duke faculty and are limited, mostly, to the usual suspect departments.

I have no sympathy for the Trinity Park residents. The conflict in expectations about the neighborhood between students renting the houses and permanent residents have been well known forever. People who bought houses in that neighborhood knew about the issues in advance and, whether they realized it or not, got a discount on price because of it. Having gotten that discount, now they complain that the students behavior is hurting their property values. Wah, wah , and wah.

As we've rehashed many times, Duke made this problem much much worse by forcing it off campus where it came in conflict with the surrounding neighborhoods. That's the origin of the problem and the way to solve it. Turning SS Oberfuehrer Gottleib loose on the students obviously hasn't solved anything.
415 posted on 09/19/2006 7:00:15 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: abb
Wonder what this is about?

Duke Police Recruiter Targeted By State Investigation

Do we know the name Brian Deluca from anywhere? Too bad the SBI won't take the time to investigate Mike Nifong's office. Talk about your misplaced priorities.
416 posted on 09/20/2006 7:12:23 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Locomotive Breath

Catching up....

http://www.duke.edu/web/police/about/newsletters/DUPD_June06_newsletter.pdf

Page 3
Brian DeLuca "Man Behind the Badge"


417 posted on 10/14/2006 8:48:53 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: abb; Protect the Bill of Rights; Locomotive Breath
I hadn't heard this before. From July 07, 2014 =>

WRAL's Julia Sims is reporting that former Sgt. Mark Gottlieb died on Saturday, apparently of suicide.

http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/2014/07/gottlieb-news.html

418 posted on 11/14/2015 3:08:56 AM PST by Ken H
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To: Ken H

Dekalb County? Whoa. Let me see what I can find


419 posted on 11/14/2015 6:48:04 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

Cy County News (NC)

Mark David Gottlieb
a year ago | 0 0 comments | 115 115 recommendations | email to a friend | print
Retired law enforcement officer, fireman and paramedic Mark D. Gottlieb, 51, passed away on July 5, 2014 in Dekalb County, Ga. Mark served the public for over 30 years specializing in violent crimes and domestic violence. At Mark’s Memorial, Deputy Chief Larry Smith noted that Mark worked some hard cases but never tarnished his badge. Mark opened Black Diamond Lawn Care after his retirement until he and his family relocated to the mountains of western North Carolina for his wife’s job.

In addition to emergency services, Mark served as a volunteer for the children in the community. Mark was a soccer coach and t-ball coach for multiple seasons. He was a volunteer with Communities in Schools and spent time reading to the children in Clay County Schools, often in uniform.

A dedicated father, husband, and friend, his quick smile, open arms, and willingness to serve others will never be forgotten.

Mark is survived by his wife, Jacqueline Kilgus Gottlieb; and his children, Maryanne, Charlie, and Lauren Gottlieb of Warne. His parents, Bob and Estey Gottlieb of Toledo, Ohio; and sisters, Sue and Audrey.

Memorials can be sent to the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial or to an Education Fund for the Children established by friends of the family, at: http: www.gofundme.com.

Read more: Clay County Progress - Mark David Gottlieb


“Never tarnished his badge” LMAO How pathetic


420 posted on 11/14/2015 7:17:44 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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