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A question of manliness
Daily Mail ^ | 07/12/06 | MARTIN NEWLAND

Posted on 07/14/2006 8:28:57 AM PDT by fgoodwin

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1 posted on 07/14/2006 8:29:02 AM PDT by fgoodwin
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It is established beyond doubt that men and women are equal in all fields ranging from human dignity to employment rights, but this must not be allowed to evolve into the idea that men and women are the same.

Really? Tell my accountant. I've got a B.A. and my husband doesn't, but he makes almost double what I do. This is a really sucky piece.
2 posted on 07/14/2006 8:36:14 AM PDT by Froufrou
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D*mn' Straight. Great Post! Thanks!


3 posted on 07/14/2006 8:36:48 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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4 posted on 07/14/2006 8:38:41 AM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: fgoodwin
Men must learn to reclaim manliness, not in the machismo mould of previous generations, but in a modern incarnation that will serve as an anchor in the shifting sands of today's gender politics.

Sycophant.
5 posted on 07/14/2006 8:38:52 AM PDT by Froufrou
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Froufrou, it just may be that your husband's work is actually worth twice as much as yours. A BA is just a ticket to ride, you have to provide the value.

The idea that equal employment rights is the same as equal pay is absurd. Give it some thought.


6 posted on 07/14/2006 9:39:13 AM PDT by burroak
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To: fgoodwin
Manliness is not braggadocio. It is stoicism, self-respect, decisiveness, assertiveness.

It ain't this crap, either.

7 posted on 07/14/2006 9:46:30 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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"A BA is just a ticket to ride,"

You want fries with that?


8 posted on 07/14/2006 9:52:40 AM PDT by Froufrou
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Seems to me you are asking of the lagnaipe.


9 posted on 07/14/2006 9:56:10 AM PDT by burroak
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lagniappe: In LA, a trifle given to tradesmen; a gratuity.

Sorry, I am evidently missing your point. But, you are no doubt correct about my husband; his work is very skilled, whereas I am truly just a bean-counter.


10 posted on 07/14/2006 10:01:23 AM PDT by Froufrou
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If you are overqualified for your current job, have you considered another position? Do you both / either / neither have CPAs?

Your situation is unfortunate, but is the difference in education the only thing that differentiates your qualifications vs. your husband (other than your gender)?


11 posted on 07/14/2006 10:11:04 AM PDT by fgoodwin
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My point was; I asked for nothing. Your implication was that I might be interested in fries. The tone of your first message was that somehow you should have an equal pay to your husband, especially since you had a BA.

If "bean-counter" = CPA, brush up your resume and go after that job which will satisfy your monetary goals.


12 posted on 07/14/2006 10:12:47 AM PDT by burroak
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Hubs is a facility supervisor - he's the go-to person for any and everything and truly he deserves his pay, since he's on-call every other weekend. Mine is a desk job and neither of us has a CPA. It's true that mine is far less demanding.

I was remarking on the tone of the article and the implication that women are equal but not. It's one or the other.


13 posted on 07/14/2006 10:36:51 AM PDT by Froufrou
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The tone of the article was just the opposite. Men and women are equal in the respect that each was created in the image of God. However, God expressed specific attributes in men and other attributes in women. Neither has second rank.

The feminist movement has had an ally in the media and entertainment businesses to emasculate males, defined as removing male vigor, not the castrating concept. Altho IMO many feminists would be satisfied with the later. Admitting that men have masculine traits and women are wired to have feminine traits has nothing to do with equality under Holy law or governmental law.

Therefore, your proposition of it being one or the other does not apply to genger differences.

Boys are born to seek danger, take risks, and be the hero. To use Frank Eldridge's line, No little girls imagine a game in which thousands die on a battle field of blood. And , by the same token, boys don't hold pretend tea parties.


14 posted on 07/14/2006 11:05:36 AM PDT by burroak
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The feminist lobby, which has achieved much for women over the past 40 years, must take its foot off the accelerator.

They sure have. Among other things, lots of man-bashing.

Their idol:

Quotes:

I've yet to be on a campus where most women weren't worrying about some aspect of combining marriage, children, and a career. I've yet to find one where many men were worrying about the same thing.

What has the women's movement learned from Geraldine Ferraro's candidacy for vice president? Never get married.

The first problem for all of us, men and women, is not to learn, but to unlearn.

Also, many Clinton soccer moms turned our young boys into little sissies.

15 posted on 07/14/2006 11:11:40 AM PDT by MotleyGirl70
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Hvae you never studied Sociology? Because you just took imprinting out of the picture. There are plenty of boys who not only 'do' tea parties, but lots of other things like mommy. I'd say you are stereotyping just a bit...


16 posted on 07/14/2006 11:20:08 AM PDT by Froufrou
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I can't truly tell from the article what the guy wants us to take away from reading it. The whole movement was sold with the package 'equal pay for equal work' which we all know is b.s. since women have wombs. This is where someone will tell me about men taking maternity leave...


17 posted on 07/14/2006 11:23:24 AM PDT by Froufrou
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Tea parties are not what boys wake up on Sat morning wanting to do. If those plenty of boys "do" tea parties, then they are lost for now and will grow up wounded in the soul.

None of this has anything to do with little boys not liking their mothers. Boys love their mothers. Mothers nurture them, console them, and civilize them.

Sociology, as taught in the modern unversities, is a poor substitute for the Bible if you want to understand the true natue of man and woman.


18 posted on 07/14/2006 11:34:15 AM PDT by burroak
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I give a rat's arse about maternity leave as an argument for the inequality of salaries. Not all men make the same salary, so what.

If you don't like the level of your income, bust your hump and make what you want. Only in America do you have the right AND the opportunity do do that.


19 posted on 07/14/2006 11:38:46 AM PDT by burroak
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I could not possibly agree more.


20 posted on 07/14/2006 11:40:44 AM PDT by Froufrou
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