DA plans to turn over more papers in lacrosse case (DukeLax)

The Herald-Sun ^ | June 22, 2006 | John Stevenson

[Mike Nifong]

Fox's In the Lineup Saturday Night w/ Kimberly Guilfoyle:

3 guests ( 2 are Georgia Goslee and Don Clark/ black former FBI agent)

Georgia and Don Clark - no surprise here - both don't see any problems with the AV's descriptions not matching Colin Finnerty. Don Clark disregarded the Polygraph saying they only as valid as the questions posed. Hey Don, do you think the Polygraphere would know more about that than you.

Kimberly Guilfoyle loads the show with people that will the defend the AV. The show is short on facts and reasoning because AV supporters can't provide a reasonable decision to support her - based on facts or evidence.

[JLS]

He readily admits that he has not followed the case that closely and apparently used information sent to him by someone else.

He is suppose to be a professional academic. He should check what he puts out. That excuse might fly for a member of the media. He is not one, unless his book success has convinced him to give up being a professional economist ala Krugman and his column.

[JLS]

Levitt does recognize that all numbers are equally likely. The comments pointed out that you could do what he does based on the first seven out of 46, the last seven out of 46, the middle seven of 46, numbers 14-21 of 46. Similarly it could have been the first 12 or last 12 etc with a slightly higher probability.

[Ken H]

So I would say 10,000 signatures are a big shot across his bow. 20,000 votes might win the general.

Woody Vann seemed to think Meeks had a decent chance of winning. That's quite a few signatures to get on short notice.

The percentage that Meeks ends up with might serve as a guide to the percentage of the jury pool which is not looking to convict the players.

[Locomotive Breath]

Tee hee hee. That's pretty funny. Did you ever "out" yourself? I wouldn't be surprised if they'd have tossed you off the bus and made you walk home.

[Locomotive Breath]

Exactly. And the Reps generally have higher participation rates.

[Locomotive Breath]

Some frat or sorority could just as easily have been the victim of this prosecution. The Greek system might also be a ready-made organization to get out the votes.

[abb]

A couple of editorials this morning...

Put lacrosse case on a faster track
http://www.herald-sun.com/opinion/hsedits/56-748994.html

Let's talk sports
http://www.newsobserver.com/559/story/456646.html

[Locomotive Breath]

In my day and time there was no polling place on campus. I'm not sure about now. I know Durham was trying to discourage Duke students from voting in local elections because they didn't think the transient student population had any right to be interfering in local affairs. I think Mike Nifong has just issued a pretty strong invitation for Duke students to become involved.

[Locomotive Breath]

If Cheek is certified to run, I would now hope that trial not begin until after the start of the new year (Cheek takes office 1 Jan.?) in the presumption that Cheek would have the common sense to drop the charges.

[abb]

Friday on Hannity's radio show, MK said the defense WILL NOT file a motion to dismiss. That tells me they want it to go to trial and quickly. It could be everything has progressed to the point that the defense is now on the offense and is trying to KEEP Nifong from turning loose. Keep him lashed to the mast of the Titanic, so to speak.

What say you to this theory? Or did I just get up too early and doing too much thinking, lol?

[Locomotive Breath]

Well they could be doing that. The players names will never be "cleared". If I were a player, in the selection of possible outcomes, I would choose the following in order of "goodness":

1) Charges dropped (by new DA because Nifong will clearly never do it). This has the advantage of Nifong being repudiated by the electorate and indicates that there never was evidence in the first place.
2) Summary dismissal by Judge due to lack of evidence. Seems unlikely any judge is going to have the 'nads to do this.
3) Innocent after jury trial. This makes it look like Nifong was just "doing his job" and carries the liability that a jury could go haywire and convict,
4) Hung jury which makes it look like there was a credible case and Nifong would try the case a second time and drag the nightmare out even further.

I think the defense strategy is to make it so obvious what Nifong's doing that an adult will step in and put and end to this farce. If the "adult" turns out to be the Durham electorate and a new DA then so much the better.

[abb]

There is a way for their names to be cleared, I think. If Crystial were to go in front of TV cameras and say she made it all up to keep from being committed to drug rehab, etc. And then she admits to the collusion among the DA, police, AA leaders, etc...

[Locomotive Breath]

Well that could happen too. Except that would require her to, you know, like, tell the truth. I don't think she's told the truth about anything in a long long time. She would more likely say that she's standing by her story but she's too scared to testify. That would let her and Nifong off the hook and leave the lax team under a cloud of suspicion forever. But I don't see Nifong and the others in her life (cough, cough, pimp, cough, cough) allowing her to do either.

[Hogeye13]

LB and abb
There are a whole lot of others that will also have to start telling the truth as well. Among them are Kimmy, Nifong, untold numbers of police officers, the city manager, members of Duke U faculty and staff and numerous so-called supporters of the FA. I am sure that I am leaving some out like the talking heads on TV. The falsely accused players deserve a lot of truth telling that hasn't been done yet.

[Locomotive Breath]

Agree. But of the individuals who could unilaterally put an end to it by changing their past lies for the truth, I think we have the short list of Mangum and Nifong.

[maggief]

Yesterday, out of the blue, there was a long post about VAWA funding being approved. VAWA had never been mentioned in the group before, although there had been mention of funding available for their mission.

Could you post a link, please?

[GAgal]

Whoever that commenter was quoted my words exactly in post 1822 on this thread. I wouldn't mind, except that I was wrong. There doesn't seem to be a requirement that the student live in Durham for 30 days before registering to vote. The voter reg. form can be downloaded from the link below and must be:

* Postmarked at least 25 days before the election - Nov. 7.
* Delivered to the local board of elections by 5:00 on the 25th day before the election.

http://www.co.durham.nc.us/departments/cannonball.cfm?ID=2&deptPage=Voter_Registration.cfm

Duke students voting info: http://www.lib.duke.edu/reference/virtual/voting.html#eligibility

[TommyDale]

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h109-3402

[Hogeye13]

I agree completely that it is most important that those you mentioned start the process. Even if all parties involved change the stories there will still be some that never accept that the young men are innocent.

The scary part of this whole thing is the thought that these young men might actually have to go to trial with a jury that is in no way representative of their peers.