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Close encounter raises concerns about wolves
Idaho Press-Tribune ^ | 6/4/06 | Scott Richards

Posted on 06/06/2006 9:19:05 AM PDT by tgusa

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To: ahayes

Perhaps they kill them because they see them as competition in their territory?
susie


41 posted on 06/06/2006 10:06:05 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: tgusa

I've said it before, there was absolutely no excuse or reason under the sun to reintroduce what our forfathers spent their lives ridding the country of. Wolfs belong in Northern Canada living under the harshest conditions. Not living anywhere in the USA except wolf farms, animal farms, and Zoo's.


42 posted on 06/06/2006 10:07:37 AM PDT by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: brytlea

Yes, they could have seen these dogs as an invading pack.


43 posted on 06/06/2006 10:07:48 AM PDT by ahayes (Yes, I have a devious plot. No, you may not know what it is.)
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To: ahayes
Its a territory thing. Lupines hate Canines and vice versa. The Wolves saw the dogs as intruders hunting in their territory and took care of the problem. Wolves are NOT NICE CRITTERS. They are predators. Just as large cats are.
This is the reason when I got hunting I carry my shot gun or rifle and a .45 semi-auto. I also don't use hunting dogs unless going for quail or Pheasant. Bear hunting ain't my thing.
44 posted on 06/06/2006 10:08:18 AM PDT by SouthernBoyupNorth ("For my wings are made of Tungsten, my flesh of glass and steel..........")
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To: tgusa
I am sorry for their loss, I cannot understand how they would leave their arms in the truck, ever a black bear in a foul mood if that;s what was being chased would be enough for me to be packing at all times, maybe another dog might have been spared if instead of yelling and waving arms they were drawing down on the wolves.
Just a thought.
45 posted on 06/06/2006 10:08:47 AM PDT by thinkthenpost
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To: thinkthenpost

We saw occasionally coyotes right downtown early in the morning in the E. TX town we lived in. They routinely killed cats and small dogs.
susie


46 posted on 06/06/2006 10:09:49 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: wita

Any bureaucrat, even well-meaning, can screw things up royally. Just ask the farmers in Pennsylvania who are getting eaten out of house and home by re-introduced elk, for cryin' out loud.


47 posted on 06/06/2006 10:11:10 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .....)
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To: thinkthenpost

I thought the same thing when I read that.


48 posted on 06/06/2006 10:11:55 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .....)
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To: ahayes

that's correct....and i agree....it's now open season in GA on wild hogs as these suckers breed as fast as rabbits....they were also rooting out the pond bank when the water was low and they ruined the entire pond, we had to get a bobcat (the mechanical kind) and re-scape the banks....

they are good eating though.....


49 posted on 06/06/2006 10:12:06 AM PDT by Nightrider
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To: SouthernBoyupNorth

Yes, I find it utterly bizarre that people would want wolf-dog hybrids as pets. We spend thousands of years breeding juvenile traits into our dogs and some people want to go back and own a wolf. Their personalities are more . . . hair-trigger, I guess. More aggressive and nervous, plus the additional problem of them wanting to patrol square miles of territory. I like wolves out in the wilderness but absolutely not as pets.


50 posted on 06/06/2006 10:13:17 AM PDT by ahayes (Yes, I have a devious plot. No, you may not know what it is.)
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To: SouthernBoyupNorth
Wolves are NOT NICE CRITTERS. They are predators. Just as large cats are.

The same could and should be said of humans.

Personally I'd rather be thought of as a "Not Nice Critter" than as food.

51 posted on 06/06/2006 10:13:17 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: thinkthenpost

Interesting that you bring up coyotes being bigger, I read an article several years ago that said the wolf was not really eradicated in most of the US, it had crossed with coyotes and created a hybrid that was different from the traditional coyote or wolf. According the the article the coyotes they did DNA samples of had wolf DNA.

The man that did the research for the article got curious as to why there were few to no natural wolve populations, yet many coyotes when man had tried to eradicate both. He wondered how the coyote survived and the wolf did not. He came to the conclusion that todays coyotes are a hybrid of yesterdays wolf/coyote crossbreeding.


52 posted on 06/06/2006 10:13:24 AM PDT by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and secure the border!!!)
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To: ahayes

We're ending up in all the same places. I freepmailed you yesterday with our recent experience with a couple of wild dogs. I just posted it at #25.

It is possible that the dogs were mixed with coyote, or wolf. That does happen out in some of these areas. I wish whoever had owned them had the guts to do away with them instead of dumping them out around ranches. My kids go out in the morning to feed these calves. This happened very early, so my kids weren't out there thank goodness!

This is good! One of the dogs ran off in our back pasture trying to get away. The herd of older cattle sensed a danger, and they surrounded the dog and wouldn't let it gountil my husband caught up to it with the gun. Bye Bye doggie!

For the record. I adore dogs. We have a collie. She's great at staying with my kids, and I have no doubt she would defend them to the death. I don't think that instinct neccessarily applies to cattle though. She is pregnant with the neighbor border collie pups, so we will be keeping two males. They are still great with people, and far more territorial than a female.


53 posted on 06/06/2006 10:13:24 AM PDT by Conservative Texan Mom (Some people say I'm stubborn, when it's usually just that I'm right.)
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To: El Gato

A 20? Hmmm....good small bird, rabbit, squirrel or varmit.! I remember those days well. I've popped a lot of .22 High Standard L, LR rounds.


54 posted on 06/06/2006 10:14:25 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: george76

In 10 years Robbins says he has never received any payment for loss of cattle to predators.

In one case he said a predator control officer observed a wolf eating a dead cow, but could not say what killed it.

"They can't verify it, so they don't pay you."


55 posted on 06/06/2006 10:15:58 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: tgusa
[ Wolves are NOT cute and cuddly! ]

Thats why they are called Wolves..

56 posted on 06/06/2006 10:16:00 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: Tammy8

You know, for years I have heard from people that "there is no documentation of a wolf ever harming a human." Right.


57 posted on 06/06/2006 10:17:42 AM PDT by freepertoo
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To: Conservative Texan Mom

I understand, I meant to freepmail you back but hadn't gotten to it yet. I've seen the photographs of animals mauled by dogs, that must have been horrible. Kudos to your smart cattle for cornering one--must be remnants of some old instincts! I think shooting the dogs was absolutely the right thing to do. When dogs start packing up, staking a territory, and attacking prey they can end up redefining "prey" as "humans". I'm afraid I'd be more tolerant of coyotes around rather than feral dogs if I lived in the country.


58 posted on 06/06/2006 10:17:50 AM PDT by ahayes (Yes, I have a devious plot. No, you may not know what it is.)
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To: Tammy8

AAAAAAAAmen. Used to live in Alaska, never went into the woods without at least a 357 Magnum. The ones who knew, carried even bigger, like 44 mag.


59 posted on 06/06/2006 10:17:53 AM PDT by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: Jeff Head
Just remember...Shoot, Shovel, and Shut-up!

This is the "unofficial" advice to NM ranchers. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is "re-introducing" the Mexican Grey Wolf here in NM. Needless to say, the ranchers in the NW portion of the state are less than excited.
60 posted on 06/06/2006 10:18:27 AM PDT by wjcsux (I would prefer to have the German army in front of me than the French army behind me- Gen. G. Patton)
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