Curt Schilling Wins His 200th Game

MLB.COM ^ | 28 May 2006 | Mike Petraglia

[misterrob]

FYI

[MikefromOhio]

He needs another 103Ks to get serious consideration for the Hall of Fame, but I'm glad that Schilling got to the 200 wins.

I remember when he came up with the Orioles when I was 8 years old :)

[misterrob]

I remember when we used him as part of the trade for Mike Boddiker.

No HOF for him but no doubt he was one of the best of his era. Sort of like Jim Rice.

[cripplecreek]

Kenny Rogers is only about 3 wins behind Shilling and he seems hot this year.

[ElTianti]

I remember when we used him as part of the trade for Mike Boddiker.

I thought he was part the Glen Davis debacle

[ElTianti]

From what I read, it wasn't pretty.

[MikefromOhio]

I don't know.

There aren't going to be anymore 300 win guys for a LONG time after Maddux and maybe Glavine retire.

Some of the 200 win, 3000K guys (Pedro, Mussina, Schill, R. Johnson) are going to get some run in the next 10-15 years....

[MikefromOhio]

I thought he was part the Glen Davis debacle

He was. He was the throw-in with Pete Harnisch and Steve Finley in 1991 that brought Glen Davis to Baltimore.

[dakine]

Detroit 35 14 .714

[big'ol_freeper]

The Tigers...this year's Orioles..

Orioles in 2005-- Despite a 42-28 start, the O's finished with a losing record.

Enjoy it now cuz you will be crying like a rat chewing on onions come September.

[dakine]

ok...

[misterrob]

That was the O's. We traded Schilling and Brady Anderson for Boddiker.

[MikefromOhio]

Actually, if the 2005 Orioles had anywhere NEAR the pitching that the Tigers have, NYY and the Red Sox wouldn't have gotten close to them.

If you look at the stats, the Orioles got off to that great start by outscoring everyone. It certainly was NOT their pitching.

[misterrob]

No walks, 7 Ks. The runs came when they strung some hits together. It wasn't dominating but Tampa can score guys from first on a double and they scored another on a sac. fly. His K/BB ratio is really good this year though and although he has given up 10 HRs this year, 6 came in 2 games.

I think that the Sox will have Schilling, Beckett and Papelbon at the All Star Game this year. Ortiz and Manny will likely go although Lowell, Youk and Loretta deserve some serious consideration.

[misterrob]

RJ should be a first ballot hall of famer. He was THE dominant LHP of his time and he played on a few lame teams in Arizona, Seattle and Montreal. Ask the guys who played against him who they thought was more dominant pitcher from the left side.

Pedro and Schilling are a bit more suspect as HOF guys. I think that if Pedro can win another 30 games by the time he retires then as a 250 win guy he should go. Schilling is likely going to finish around 225 wins which might get him in some day but then again, maybe not. Still, he will go down in history as a big game pitcher in the postseason, he's won 20 games 3-4 times in his career and the sutured ankle will rank up there as a Willis Reed moment in sports.

Plus, correcting the reporter about A-Rod's purse snatch as "Kerry League" and his overt support for Bush and being a strong Christian man will not help his chances with the liberal reporters of which there are many.

[GraniteStateConservative]

With this win, Schilling and Beckett are a combined 15-3 in 21 starts and Pap has 18 saves and a spiffy .136 BAA and the Red Sox have the best fielding percentage in all of baseball. That should make for an attractive circumstance for Clemens!

He needs another 103Ks to get serious consideration for the Hall of Fame

Not necessarily. Schill is 2-1 with a 2.11 ERA in games pitched in the World Series and has 3 WS championships. Give him a 4th ring and a good outing or two in the WS, and he would go in because he'd be considered a HOF "big game" pitcher. Just battling back from that surgery on his ankle (and pitching in the ALCS and the WS on that surgically repaired ankle, knowing he was jeopardizing his whole career) might be enough right now.

[misterrob]

He only has 2 WS rings. The Phillies lost to Toronto's Joe Carter hit one out against Mitch "Wild Thing" Williams.

[GraniteStateConservative]

Pedro and Schilling are a bit more suspect as HOF guys. I think that if Pedro can win another 30 games by the time he retires then as a 250 win guy he should go.

Efficiency rating is able to combine rate stats (like K/BB) and counting stats (IP) to get a value for how good that pitcher on average would be for one "must win" game. Petey, if he retired today, would have the highest ER of all time (1000 IP min)-- higher than Koufax. The other two active pitchers above Koufax are RJ and Schill.

Using similar calculations, the following active pitchers are basically into the HOF (based on their whole career numbers-- not a one game scenario): Maddux, RJ, Petey, Schilling, and Moose (the 1st 3 in Tier 1, and the second 2 in Tier 2-- though Schill gets major bonus points for the postseason). Clemens is here, should he become active, obviously. So, we have 3 1st ballot guys, and 2 second/third ballot guys, but all are legends.

[JohnnyZ]

Pedro and Schilling are a bit more suspect as HOF guys.

Pedro already has three of the best seasons by any pitcher in the entire history of baseball. He's in, no question, even if he didn't pitch another inning. He has a good case to be considered the best pitcher ever, period.

Schilling is in now too since hitting 200 wins gets him a few more votes from rejects who only understand one digit. He's been considered an ace and one of the best starters in the game for 10-15 years. But it's the 8-2, 2.06 postseason record, especially the 2001 and 2004 postseasons, that push him over the top in the tiny little minds of the HOF voters.