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Duke Lacrosse defense: Stories changed ("No one forced me to have sex")
Hearld Sun ^ | 5/26/06

Posted on 05/27/2006 5:24:47 AM PDT by Mr. Brightside

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To: stands2reason; robertpaulsen
I'd like to see evidence that see received special consideration in her prior sentencing. I've yet to see that.

It shouldn't be too terribly difficult for a dogged researcher to establish.

Great! I appoint...YOU to do the research!

181 posted on 05/28/2006 4:09:19 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (If you don't understand the word "Illegal", then the public school system has failed you.)
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To: Guenevere

I was stupid when I was 19.

Let me correct myself, I am now a recovering stupid person. But, I will always be stupid.

Hello, My name is Mike Nifong and I am Stupid.


182 posted on 05/28/2006 4:57:55 PM PDT by Mike Nifong (Any likeness to persons living or dead is entirely coincidental)
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To: All; stands2reason; Carolinamom; Protect the Bill of Rights

At some point, it may be a long time, but at some point - the question will be who pays for Nifong's lawyer, Durham or his private backers.

Maybe Malcom Shabazz will do it for free?


183 posted on 05/28/2006 5:04:20 PM PDT by Mike Nifong (Any likeness to persons living or dead is entirely coincidental)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

Well, I never said I was dogged.


184 posted on 05/28/2006 5:13:14 PM PDT by stands2reason (You cannot bully or insult conservatives into supporting your guy.)
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To: Mike Nifong

I am catching up--Grandson has his first tooth and I had to go see him, LOL!

Kim has been quiet as of late...wondering if by design or if she is a bit nervous?


185 posted on 05/28/2006 5:38:47 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

Enjoy those Grandkids! Take pictures too!


186 posted on 05/28/2006 6:35:30 PM PDT by Mike Nifong (Any likeness to persons living or dead is entirely coincidental)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

It goes to show, people have really gotten their teeth into this story.


187 posted on 05/28/2006 6:46:55 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

Ken, you enjoying the weekend? (maybe some beer) LOL


188 posted on 05/28/2006 7:31:19 PM PDT by Mike Nifong (Any likeness to persons living or dead is entirely coincidental)
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill

BTW, the "BS" comment was not directed at you or your on scene report! My guess is that the rumor is coming from the prosecution's side.


189 posted on 05/28/2006 7:45:42 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

No problem. At times I wonder if detailed settlement rumors like the one I heard are put out there to cause all sides to discuss a settlement without anyone leading the charge.

I do not see this particular group of lawyers often, so I do not know when an update might be available. I will listen carefully at this week's rec league baseball games, Scout meetings and swim practice and report anything I hear of merit.


190 posted on 05/29/2006 5:55:04 AM PDT by Andy from Chapel Hill
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To: stands2reason
Well, I never said I was dogged.

Hahahaha! Hey, someone dug up their arrest records, so maybe someone could find out in general, sentencing guidelines. Of course those are at the discrection of the judge, but they can't all be that weak...

191 posted on 05/29/2006 6:07:25 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (If you don't understand the word "Illegal", then the public school system has failed you.)
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To: rmgatto

LOL! And sniffing glue!


192 posted on 05/29/2006 10:59:16 AM PDT by Buck W. (If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.)
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To: MizSterious
but watch for a civil suit, hitting the deepest pockets hardest, namely the University.

Followed by a hike in tuition that will undoubtedly pass the bill on to anyone silly enough to choose to go there in the future.
193 posted on 05/29/2006 11:07:20 AM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: Jalapeno

Your lengthy explanation does not address the simple fact that it looks as though at least 2 of these boys, (and yes, I do still consider 19 year old teenagers boys), MAY NOT HAVE EVEN BEEN AT THE PARTY!

They have been accused of a very serious crime. I share your belief that they did not commit this crime.

In other words, the poor judgment of their peers should have absolutely no bearing on them.

Thus, they do indeed illicit my sympathy.


194 posted on 05/29/2006 11:30:08 AM PDT by milford421
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To: Old_Mil

I agree that Duke is the logical target for a lawsuit. Both the AV and the students would seem to have claims against Duke if the evidence ends up pointing their way. Right now, it seems to me that the Lax guys have been seriously slandered and deprived of their contractual rights to a good education. Duke would rather settle than be forced to accept students they don't want and allow them to play an NCAA sport in a Duke jersey.

I don't get the sue Durham idea so much. Nifong works for the state, not the city doesn't he?

The Durham police department probably hasn't been perfect, but the biggest problems seem to me to be decisions about prosecution, not investigation.

Finally, I have to say that the idea that the AV changed her story doesn't impress me. Pretty much every victim of a violent crime has a story that is hard to follow. The first investigator is often hard put to come up with sound facts on a sound timeline. 12 or 24 hours, even a couple of days if the victim is sufficiently traumatized, is not an unusual time for sorting out inconsistencies and getting to a coherent story.

The upshot of this is that early inconsistencies are not going to hurt the credibility of the AV. Her story is trashed by the investigative facts, not so much by her apparent early-hour wavering.


195 posted on 05/30/2006 1:19:30 PM PDT by VaFarmer
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill

Nifong needs #5; and he is not going to get it.

He is so exposed to civil rights and defamation claims, it will force him into bankruptcy. He could easly face bar disciplinary action, with a somewhat lengthy suspension from practice. If so, he'd be forced out of his position.


196 posted on 05/30/2006 9:47:52 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: SauronOfMordor

None of the defendants used a bail bondsman. They all posted cash.


197 posted on 05/30/2006 9:50:47 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: SauronOfMordor

I;m just working my way through this thread, so the following may already have been disclosed, but as I understand it, Nifong made them pay the WHOLE $400K by certified check.

http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/440175.html


198 posted on 06/01/2006 6:36:31 AM PDT by Devilish ("You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts." - SEN Moynihan)
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To: Devilish

I do not have a link to this, but as I understood it, someone filed an ethics complaint against Nifong with the North Carolina Bar.

I doubt that that complaint is going to be able to be part of any settlement, if it occurs, which I hope that it does not.


199 posted on 06/01/2006 10:28:56 AM PDT by Devilish ("You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts." - SEN Moynihan)
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To: Devilish

I do not have a link to this, but as I understood it, someone filed an ethics complaint against Nifong with the North Carolina Bar.

I doubt that that complaint is going to be able to be part of any settlement, if it occurs, which I hope that it does not.


200 posted on 06/01/2006 10:29:02 AM PDT by Devilish ("You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts." - SEN Moynihan)
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