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Duke Lacrosse DNA: Mystery Man Revealed (Accuser's Boyfriend!!!)
ABC News ^ | 13 May 06 | CHRIS CUOMO, GERRY WAGSCHAL, CHRIS FRANCESCANI and LARA SETRAKIAN

Posted on 05/13/2006 9:30:51 AM PDT by SkyPilot

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To: Locomotive Breath
You know, there have been times when it was a boon and pride to a town or city to be a college town. Still is, in places. Princeton for example. Faitfax VA, even.

Like some other posts on these threads, however, your's is emblematic of toxic attitudes.

Here on this thread, with all that toxicity it's hard for me to think that my own distant read will be well received: that this situation is what is called in George Wahington's time as "a moment if taken with the tide" -- an opportunity, and perhaps THE final chance for Duke to lead in a long dance back to good relations. Otherwise it WILL become what is already had about the walls of ivy in other big cities such as you have mentioned.

1,421 posted on 05/15/2006 5:15:40 PM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw

I'm still waiting for you to make the first mention of Durham's role in all this. Has Durham no obligation?


1,422 posted on 05/15/2006 6:39:34 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Locomotive Breath
Nope.

The City can tax, and compell payment. The City can raise police and other forces sworn to carry out the City's wishes. The City can pass laws and regulations (within the limits the State allows) -- that makes it sovereign. The duty is Duke to it's sovereign, Durham.

Duke is the rebellious child, if it thinks it is outside the law -- I mean the praticial law of respect for the sovereign in a place. Or some infection, to use another analogy. Why are the Cities you've already mentioned at seemingly permanent and toxic odds with the Universities in some northern cities? Because the the relationship degrades, and the City seeks to protect itself. Jealousies, bad-mouthing, theft, acts of random violence and vandalism -- all symptoms. Arbitrary and sporatic police and judicial enforcements against the students and school properties -- another symptom. I might call one tree and the other a hairy posion ivy vine, but the sense of which is a tree, and which the theiving toxic vine switches back and forth in such relationships.

In healthy relationships there is either total fealty of the School to the City as with small schools in big cities, or a mutually beneficial symbiotic relationship -- Princeton being a great example. Pittsburgh another.

1,423 posted on 05/15/2006 7:32:57 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Locomotive Breath
Still, there is greater duty Duke has -- and that is to its Students. Both to take all steps necessary to iinsure the safety and healty growth of the fledgling adults, the student body. And most importantly to both this case and to any hope Duke has of the gaining street creds it needs to start developing a healthy relationship with its City -- most importantly to those goals is that Duke had to take strong stand in support of the boys, as students and the team and coaches as a team of the school. Loyalty is only a virtue when things get tough.

I'm not talking excusing crimes and bad behaviour, I'm talking exercising the firmest and strongest support for them as students and atheletes of Duke University.

Even now that they are graudated -- even more then, for their prosecuted behaviour was in the house of Duke, as Duke students. Every Duke prospect, every Duke enrollee, every Duke staff member, and every alumni is taking a conscious and subconsious measure of just how loyal the administration and trustees are to the students. They ask -- consicously or subconsciously -- "will they throw me to the wolves too, someday?"

That's a deep and long river -- those considerations.

1,424 posted on 05/15/2006 7:45:25 PM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw

"grau-dated" -- good spelling bvw. not.


1,425 posted on 05/15/2006 7:46:53 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Jane Austen

I like Susan Filan and Yale whatever his name is.

They both do a great job. After them, the talent falls off.


1,426 posted on 05/15/2006 7:57:27 PM PDT by David Allen (the presumption of innocence - what a concept!)
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To: bvw
I will agree that Duke has treated it's students shabbily in preference to Durham.

And most importantly to both this case and to any hope Duke has of the gaining street creds it needs to start developing a healthy relationship with its City -- most importantly to those goals is that Duke had to take strong stand in support of the boys, as students and the team and coaches as a team of the school. Loyalty is only a virtue when things get tough.

Try not to contradict yourself in the same paragraph. Duke University already threw the entire team under the bus in an attempt to appease Durham. What's it gotten Duke? Nothing. Duke is supposed to worry about "street creds" in Durham? You gotta be kidding. If Durham hates Duke it's a badge of honor considering how Durham has behaved.
1,427 posted on 05/15/2006 8:47:19 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Locomotive Breath

There's little or no hope for Durham. It is so corrupt I can't imagine what could eliminate the corruption.

In the last City Council and mayor's race, 8 out of 16 of the candidates had criminal records. It sounds worse than New Orleans. And the Chief of Police of Durham, has anybody seen him? Seriously. Has anybody seen him? Has he made even one statement? Does he exist?


1,428 posted on 05/15/2006 8:55:10 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Alia; et al

I believe the cousin is Sanders Lee Tate. He Ids himself on the ABC site as older than 27, but still a young black guy.

There is another Sanders Tate who is listed on DaVinci St. Also a Jacqueline Tate, who may be the other cousin who has been on TV, "Jackie."


1,429 posted on 05/15/2006 10:21:41 PM PDT by Devilish ("You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts." - SEN Moynihan)
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To: ladyjane
Half of Durham's City Council had criminal records? Might be a record for US cities.

Re: comments about Duke's lack of loyalty to the team. IMHO, President Richard Brodhead was just waiting for an excuse to stick it to the lacrosse team. He sure lacks any leadership qualities, not to mention a severe lack of the sense of fair play and basic logic and failure to keep ones commitments. How could one blame a sport for the POSSIBLE actions of 3 players? This had nothing to do with appeasing Durham but instead a revelation into the malfunctioning minds of Brodhead and his supporters.

1,430 posted on 05/16/2006 3:37:52 AM PDT by Jane Austen
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To: Publius22
You are right. But most "blue" towns and cities obviously wish to become just like San Francisco.

Take Chapel Hill, for example, or Cary. Some of the resident try to act just like those in SF. Mere amateurs.

San Francisco. Willie Brown, Mayor. Early on in his mayorship, he had to decide whether he'd endorse the lavender agenda, or the black agenda. Willie endorsed the black agenda. The brawls began over "funding" and "special funding". Anyway, Willie got the boot by the Lavender lobby, ipso Gavin Newsome, queen exemplar, Emperor of the Lavender lobby.

Durham, is trying to follow in the shoesteps of places like San Francisco. That was my point.

After the "black" specialness is established, it will next be the "gay" specialness agenda.

It's how the agenda has been playing out all across America since the late 50s.

1,431 posted on 05/16/2006 5:02:04 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Devilish; Alia; et al

There are two Sanders L Tate. One is 57 and the other 33.

They both seem to be related to someone who has been mentioned here and is very well known around Durham by the name of Booker Tate.
IIRC he is a friend of that powerbroker Livonia (sp?) and has had some run-ins with the law when a lot of money disappeared at his real estate company. He and his partner lost their real estate licenses. His partner is a detective in the Durham Police Department in the criminal investigation division.

Sanders Jr. could be his brother, not his cousin.


1,432 posted on 05/16/2006 7:07:30 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: SkyPilot
"ABC News' Law and Justice Unit has learned that the unnamed source of the DNA is the alleged victim's "boyfriend," according to her mother."

Many of us suspected the "boyfriend" might have been involved, but apparently such a common-sense notion was off-limits in our politically correct world. Did the genious Nancy Grace ever suggest this possibility?
1,433 posted on 05/16/2006 7:52:18 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: zaxxon
"Hopefully, this will be the final blow to LIEfong and his bizarre crusade."

Even if all three are acquitted, the black community has been so conditioned to paranoia by their leadership that it probably won't hurt Nifong - it might even help him, because it will make him, too, appear to be a "victim" of the system. They will start describing him as the town's first black DA. lol
1,434 posted on 05/16/2006 8:01:37 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: TexKat
Thus far, I've not come up with much on either King Virgil Cheek nor James Cheek.

However, I had no idea the one could purchase Insurance from North Carolina Mutual Life Insurance Company back in the 1800s to cover "slave insurance". (Laws of Incorporation, 1849).

From post #492 (this thread):--snip and in re Lavonia Allison:

"The two institutions that have shaped her life--Dunbar Realty and the Durham Committee on the Affairs of Black People--were born in 1935, five years after Allison. She grew up in the black Durham neighborhood of Hayti, amid middle-class professionals who included the early leaders of what was then known as the Durham Committee on Negro Affairs, as well as the founders and leaders of such key institutions as North Carolina Mutual Life Insurance Co. and NCCU. Dunbar, founded by Allison's father, C.J. Ingram, is still heralded in city tourism literature as a keystone of Durham's historic "Black Wall Street" district. The company provided homes for roughly 300 families, a clientele made up of low- to moderate-income African Americans in neighborhoods adjacent to the NCCU campus

--end snips.

Additionally and currently, D-Erskine Bowles and Julius L. Chambers are on the board of directors of NC Mutual Life Insurance Company.---end snip

Charles C. Spaulding was one of the founding Members of North Carolina Mutual Life Insurance Companies, first black owner, in 1989. He is also credited with organizing Lavonia's group:

The Durham Committee on the Affairs of Black People, organized in 1935 by C.C. Spaulding and Dr. James E. Shepard, has been cited nationally for its role in the sit-in movements of the 1950’s–60’s. For photos of Spaulding and Shepard

Additionally, in re Julius Chambers who sits on the Board of NC Mutual Life Insurance Company

--snip:

Monday, May 8, 2006:

Committee investigating the response of the Duke University administration to the allegations involving the men’s lacrosse team issues its report. The committee chairs were Julius Chambers, a civil rights activist and former chancellor of North Carolina Central University, and William G. Bowen, president of The Andrew Mellon Foundation and former president of Princeton University. Click here to read more.--end snip

And did you also know that on March 31, 2006:

President Brodhead meets with Durham Mayor Bell, NCCU Chancellor Ammons, local ministers and leaders of the Durham Committee on the Affairs of Black People. He also communicates with alumni and parents about the lacrosse situation. Click here for more. Duke Student Government issues statement condemning sexual assault, violence and racial intolerance. Click here for more. Vice President for Student Affairs sends e-mail alerting Duke students to a rumor reported by the Durham Police to students living off-campus of a planned "drive-by shooting" of a house near Duke's East Campus, emphasizing there was no reliable information to support the rumor. Click here for more.--end snip

And lastly, more on the Durham Committee on the Affairs of Black People:--snips:

"There are few other U.S. cities where African Americans wield as much political clout. The population is roughly half black and half white; the majority of city council members are black. An organization called the Durham Committee on the Affairs of Black People has been influencing community affairs since the 1930s, when a large black middle class grew up around North Carolina Central, a black university, and Pear Street, which was known as the black Wall Street. Whites aren't allowed to attend meetings, but the committee has a long history of working closely with a progressive white organization called the People's Alliance. Don't even think of running for public office in Durham unless you have an endorsement from this powerful committee.

And now for some interesting stuff in re the election primaries in Durham -- regarding School Boards:--snips:

"For the first time since its creation in 1992, incumbents have been -- thankfully -- thrown off the school board by Bull Citizens. African-American voters rejected the tactics of Jackie Wagstaff in District 1 and Regina George-Bowden in District 2 and embraced their opponents.

So after 14 years of racially split votes and incivility on both sides of the color line, we now know how disappointing a school board member has to be to get sent home under our racially split district system.

It's also the first time in my memory that the endorsement of the Durham Committee on the Affairs of Black People -- frequently called simply "the Committee" -- has been so disregarded by African-American voters.

The Committee's endorsement did help other candidates win their races -- Rep. David Price and Sheriff Worth Hill -- or get into runoffs -- Larry Hall and Anita Smith in House District 29. But in two districts drawn on racial lines to ensure that the Committee would have control of those seats, their candidates were soundly defeated. A third member of the Committee slate -- Steve Matherly -- came in at an unsurprisingly distant third in his race for District 3.

For years, Committee leaders had been promising to defeat Wagstaff, but they could not keep her and George-Bowden from packing their endorsement meeting with supporters. Perhaps the incumbents couldn't make the endorsements stick, because Committee leaders didn't stick with the endorsements.

This scenario is even more unusual when you consider that the historically democratic Committee has for a number of years tightened up eligibility requirements to prevent candidates from packing meetings with supporters.

Regardless, in District 1, Omega Curtis Parker edged past the 40 percent mark and avoided a runoff.

Dolores Davis Paylor also outpolled Wagstaff, 33 percent to 25 percent.

Interestingly, the Republican Party endorsed Parker, a Democrat, who won by only a few more votes than there were Republicans voting in that district. Add in the stealth Republicans who've switched to unaffiliated over the years so they can vote in Democratic primaries and it's within the realm of possibility that Parker's Republican endorsement gave her a winning edge.--end snips

Okey-doke. Now, who are the powerbrokers behind Nifong. The "Committee" at its website said they were endorsing Keith Bishop, who lost, to Nifong. But apparently, the Committee's "Sheriff" got the win., And from the same article linked above:--snip:

"District 2, the Rev. Fred Davis energized supporters who possibly canvassed every house in the district. Davis defeated George-Bowden by a landslide, 53 percent to 33 percent. D.J. Waldow came in at less than 13 percent, even with an endorsement from the Friends of Durham, a moderately conservative white group.Hmm.. who are the Friends of Durham?

Here's who the Committee endorsed.

And in re Nifong's win? "After the election results came in, yellow-shirted Nifong supporters chanted his name as they planned what they called a Cinco-de-Miko party in honor of his victory"

Apparently there is a group called The Durham People's Alliance who works in tandem with Lavonia's "Committee".

OH HELLO! Guess who supported Mike Nifong's Campaign? April 13th, 2006--snips:

"With a spirited race for DA and sheriff, I wouldn't be surprised if we did quite well" at the polls despite a lack of big-name races, said Tom Miller of the Durham People's Alliance.

David Smith, with Friends of Durham, said that the DA race "might excite some people" because of its high-profile candidates.

"Normally, people don't know or care what the DA does, but in this case there's more interest because of who the people are," said Smith. Smith also said there's definitely more buzz about the House seat in District 29 being vacated by state Rep. Paul Miller.

Both the Durham People's Alliance and Friends of Durham have recently released their election endorsements.

Following are both groups' explanations of some key endorsements:

Both endorsed incumbent Mike Nifong for District Attorney. Nifong has a longstanding rapport with the People's Alliance and, "Our general feeling was that he is a person of high integrity and great skill," said Tom Miller. "He's a tough but fair and honest prosecutor. When you have the state power concentrated in one person, you want that person to be thoughtful and sober."

Smith cited Nifong's experience as a prosecutor and his managerial skills as reasons for the endorsement.

Both groups also endorsed incumbent Worth Hill for sheriff. --end snips

*** Oh My. In an article I linked to above: Friends of Durham is described as a moderately conservative white group.

rofl. Hardly.

1,435 posted on 05/16/2006 6:23:07 PM PDT by Alia
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To: TexKat; maggief; Howlin; xoxoxox; Perdogg; Locomotive Breath; Protect the Bill of Rights; ...
See post #1126 this thread; in re John Lewis, who is currently DURHAM COUNTY COMMISSIONER.

No wonder McCain/Idiot want to censor blogs. In all my searches on JOHN LEWIS, I did NOT encountered what I've just encountered at a blog. I will check to see if it is the same John Lewis; my hunch is.. it is.

John Lewis.--snips:

A sit-in movement had been planned for quite some time by the Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee (SNCC), under the leadership of John Lewis. The Greensboro Four beat them to the punch; unled, untrained, and inexperienced, they took it on themselves to challenge the system. Their act of heroic non-violent protest followed up on the promise of the Montgomery bus boycotts, and sparked a nationwide sit-in movement which took the struggle for civil rights to its most basic level. They forced white America to take its finger out of the dike, and the deluge followed.--end snip

Jackie Wagstaff just lost during this recent election in Durham.

To visit what "went down" in Greensboro, please see and mine

Note to self: Check out if there is a MARY MEEKS instead of Mary CHEEKS. refer to JAMES GORDON MEEKS. There is also a Jerry Meeks, head of the North Carolina Democrat Jerry Meeks Democrats testing waters in the South

snip:

"This is all sweet music to Jerry Meeks, the state Democratic Party chairman, who said prior to the event: "In the South, voters think strongly in terms of values. We haven't had presidential candidates lately who can really speak about that from the heart. And the fact is, there's no way you can write off the South if you really want to be president." It's now official Democratic policy to wage a "50-state strategy," and one key goal is to reconnect with the southern white moderates who have trended Republican in the post-Clinton era.

But folks here say even a good issue profile is not enough. Ferrell Guillory, founder of the Program on Southern Politics, Media and Public Life, based in Chapel Hill, said: "You really gotta show southern voters something about yourself, as a person. Show that you're rooted, that you've got a value system, that you're a believer, that you have some kind of cultural affinity with these people."

Meeks, the party chairman, went further: "We need to hear a life story that Southerners can appreciate. A life story that embodies the theme of America as a land of hope and opportunity."

1,436 posted on 05/17/2006 6:39:49 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Alia
Addendum to above post:

I screwed up a tag. For more on the "Greensboro" event, see Howlin's

1,437 posted on 05/17/2006 6:42:36 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Alia

http://www.ci.durham.nc.us/council/clement.cfm


Howard Clement, III
City Council member (Ward 2)

Profession:

* North Carolina Mutual Life Insurance Company


1,438 posted on 05/18/2006 12:53:22 AM PDT by maggief (and the dessert cart rolls on ...)
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To: maggief
Howard Clement, III City Council member (Ward 2)
Profession:
* North Carolina Mutual Life Insurance Company

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Given the Democrats' perpetual shrieks of "culture of corruption", no doubts the NC Mutual connections will be utterly ignored.

1,439 posted on 05/18/2006 3:51:55 AM PDT by Alia
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To: maggief
See, part of the reason I've continued to track this NC Mutual stuff.. I recall Clinton et al using their insurance companies to pay for their lawyers during the Monica stuff.

I'm wondering the FA's family has NC Mutual and is going to do the same.

1,440 posted on 05/18/2006 4:33:46 AM PDT by Alia
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