Posted on 05/01/2006 7:51:52 AM PDT by don'tbedenied
There has been a rare sighting of one of the world's rarest mammals - the Durham Police Chief:
"As he (Nifong) spoke, Police Chief Steve Chalmers nodded in agreement..."
http://www.herald-sun.com/durham/4-731762.html
At least it appears the man is still among the living.
Nifong has repeatedly said the women arrived separately.
It doesn't make sense that Bissey got that point wrong when he nailed so much.. He mentioned the shoe, the woman going back in, the racial slur, the police arriving to an empty house, the woman's clothing AND the FACT they ARRIVED together.
Initial accounts are most accurate.
Check this out, I was tuning the Radio and I heard this Black station out of Durham. The Caller said the Duke boys did again what they did to that other girl and, if they aren't put away - they'll do it again. One of the Radio hosts said, that's true they got away with it before.
So, I looked for this other Duke Gang Rape in Durham.
This is what I found:
"They're trying to do to this girl what they did with that other girl," said James Fields, 81, alluding to an alleged rape of an NCCU student in 2001. "They'll try to degrade her any way they can."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/11/AR2006041101942.html
So NCCU Rape 2001 took me to this:
Two suspects in the alleged gang rape of a female N.C. Central University student were released Jan. 26 after the student decided to drop charges and NO PROBABLE CAUSE could be found.
Twin brothers Nathan and Quincy Rouson were arrested on Jan. 14 for second-degree rape and crimes against nature. They were detained in Durham County Jail with a bond of $50,000 each.
http://www.nccu.edu/campus/echo/archive5-0001/c-dropped.html
Sounds like two black guys (and 15 friends) from Roxboro - NOT DUKE STUDENTS.
THIS SURE LOOKS LIKE A URBAN LEGEND. This may be contributing to the outrage in Durham.
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Thanks for the link. I was too tired (and lazy) to go through the process of formatting it.
Eyewitness accounts are notoriously less than reliable. If you believe Bissey, you have to believe that the defense is lying because he claims that at least one player knew that they arrived at the same time. Even Nifong has said that they arrived separately, as did Kim. The cabbie believed that he saw the strippers in a white car when clearly Kim's car is dark colored. It is very easy to get memories confused.
That was interesting. I didn't hear the outrage from the NCCU students as in the current case. They seemed more concerned with campus security issues. I wonder if the brothers were charged/convicted re the counterfeit money?
Here's an interesting story: (you may have to sign in, so I'll cut and past here) - From the Sacramento Bee today
http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/crime/story/14251892p-15068130c.html
Woman recants claim of '91 sexual assault
At hearing ordered by appeals court, she tells judge that Eric Knapp was wrongly convicted.
By Ramon Coronado -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 2:15 am PDT Friday, May 5, 2006
Story appeared in Metro section, Page B2
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Eric Charles Knapp, a former National Guard military police officer who was convicted of rape and sexual assault in 1993, returns to court Tuesday as one of his accusers now claims he was wrongly convicted.
Sacramento Bee/José Luis Villegas
Thirteen years ago a Sacramento Superior Court jury wrongly convicted a former National Guard military police officer of sexual assault, according to the victim.
In a rare hearing ordered by a state appeals court, the woman this week recanted what she originally told law enforcement in 1991 and later a jury.
"I wasn't hurt or forced," the 36-year-old woman said of an alleged Aug. 4, 1991, abduction by Eric Charles Knapp.
Knapp, who was also convicted in the same trial of raping another woman the previous year, was sentenced to 98 years in prison for the two attacks.
During two hours of testimony Tuesday, the woman said she lied because she had a drinking problem at the time and liked the attention she was receiving. She accused investigators of embellishing details of her attack, and said she thought she was helping officers lock up a serial rapist.
"I said these things to get attention and for people to feel sorry for me," the woman testified.
Yet, when questioned about her motive for changing her story, the woman admitted to having exchanged at least 50 letters with Knapp over three years while he has been in prison.
"I was bored. I was fascinated with prison life," the woman said of her correspondence with Knapp.
She said she has talked with Knapp's mother, sister and his fiancée over the telephone more than dozen times. The three women sat in the audience Tuesday weeping.
"I'm here today because I want to tell the truth. I feel sorry for a person suffering for a crime they had not committed," the woman said.
"I apologize," she said to Knapp, 38, who dabbed a tear from his eye as she spoke.
Marilee Marshall of Los Angeles, who is representing Knapp, is attempting to convince a judge that her client's conviction should be set aside because the sexual assault contaminated the rape case. The sexual assault alone carries a 12-year sentence.
In cross-examination Tuesday by Assistant Chief Deputy District Attorney Albert Locher, the woman admitted to running to a nearby house to seek help immediately after the attack.
Reading from police reports taken at the time, Locher said the woman told officers she believed she had been raped and sexually assaulted.
"I could have said that," the woman said.
"Were you shaking and breathing hard?" Locher asked.
"Yes," the woman said.
Judge Cheryl Chun Meegan, who presided over the one-day hearing, is expected to rule after June 26, when attorneys will submit arguments in writing.
According to the woman's testimony in 1993, she was working for a pizza parlor hanging advertisements on doors when Knapp stopped her while she was discarding a bunch of fliers in a trash bin.
Knapp told her he worked for the company and was going to report her. She got in his car and tried to talk him out of reporting her. But Knapp grabbed her and sexually assaulted her, the woman testified in 1993. She managed to honk the horn to get the attention of people in the area and escaped.
The other victim, who was 24 at the time of the attack, testified during the trial in 1993 that Knapp stalked her for about two weeks before breaking into her Citrus Heights home.
Neighbors of the victim wrote down the license plate number of a suspicious car that later was matched to Knapp's car.
The 24-year-old victim testified she was raped while a masked man held a knife to her throat during most of the 40-minute attack. She said she was scared "not only for myself, but for my 7-year-old sister who was in next room."
Knapp testified during the trial that he met the 24-year-old woman earlier that night and that she was attracted to him because she had sexual fantasies involving military police officers.
In Tuesday's testimony, the woman who recanted her story said Knapp asked for a kiss in exchange for not turning her in and then grabbed her hand.
She declined the kiss and offered a hug, and then she broke free, she said.
"I was coerced while making my statements," the woman said of investigators.
"There's too much added detail," she said of her statements in police reports.
Shortly after the 1993 trial, the woman said she learned of the lengthy sentence and was shocked.
Locher asked the woman why she was surprised at the 98-year sentence.
"That's a death sentence," the woman replied.
"Mr. Knapp should have received psychological help and never (been) sent to prison," she said.
About the writer:
The Bee's Ramon Coronado can be reached at (916) 321-1191 or rcoronado@sacbee.com.
Sorry, the above post should have been to all, and I should have snipped...but gotta run!
Yes. Those people have an Urban Legend about Duke Rapes.. Since Crystal a NCCU student, I bet she's heard it too.
It reminds me of the New Orleans Katrina stuff... The ship hitting the levy and the levy being engineered to flood the black areas. This could've contributed to this whole thing..
Now, think about in the context of a Jury Pool.
Nifong believed everything the two women served up from the beginning. Nifong believed they weren't involved with either 911 because they said so.
Nifong has bad judgement is believing these two untrustworthy women. Kim R. would throw her Grandma overboard.
Bissey was right about so many things. His story intersects perfectly with the players and other items that are not in dispute by either side.
Initial accounts are most accurate. And was a good eyewitness on the other issues (fight over money, racial slur, police arriving to empty house, 2 strippers - one dressed provocatively, Strippers coming out and then going back in the house, Stripper saying shoe was left in the house, etc.)
The Father can't spell DNA
On the other hand, the suspects were jailed on the say-so of the accuser with no substantiating probable cause. They were only released when she decided against going forward. This is what some were saying at the NCCU forum - that if the Duke suspects were black, they'd be in jail.
How can he possibly know any results if the test results won't be ready until 5/15? I wonder if Nifong gave the family a pep talk, and they spun it into this statement? So far as I've seen, the family is a pack of liars, period.
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I agreee.
Howlin knows somebody at the lab #2 and supposedly it's not a hair - it's a more refined re-test of the same samples.
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Howlin, can you tell us anything else?
Freep mail if you like.
I am dying to know what the second tests are showing.
Nifong also conveyed that there are things in the DNA report that the Defense doesn't want out there (from the first testing).
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Dan Abrams said he reviewed the report and the only thing in it that did not exclude the playes was the inconclusive results under Mangum's fingernails.
I think that is what Nifong is yapping about.
I haven't heard a word; my "source" went to Disney World last Saturday.
Honest!
I thought Nifong wasn't going to talk about the case.
What changed, other than he got elected?
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