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Attorney: No Plea Deal for Duke Player
abc11TV.com ^ | April 19, 2006

Posted on 04/19/2006 9:33:10 PM PDT by Howlin

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To: Carolinamom

Yes, and my point was that if the cab driver were white, it would be considered a "setup alibi" I'm quite sure. I still think they need to test the 2nd "dancer" DNA. I have a hunch that she is involved in a conspiracy to set up the guys.


161 posted on 04/20/2006 7:26:06 AM PDT by TommyDale
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To: Howlin

And it seems that every time I leave the computer or the TV to get some work done, something else happens.

What's next?

Do you think Nifong will arrest the third player without an indictment? Is he waiting for the second round of DNA test results? Will he sit on those test results until after the election?


162 posted on 04/20/2006 7:26:20 AM PDT by Mad-Margaret
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To: Howlin
I have NEVER in my life seen such a travesty on EVERYBODY'S part. It's just damn depressing.

If anything positive comes out of it, maybe it will be that a few more people recognize the left and the media for what they are.

163 posted on 04/20/2006 7:27:43 AM PDT by schooter (Lynching white boys for black votes)
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To: Howlin

This will never come to trial and neither will Mckinney.


164 posted on 04/20/2006 7:28:31 AM PDT by claudiustg (Build a fence. They won't come.)
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To: Hatteras

I understand what you're saying. I would be an absolute idiot if I thought my kid would spend 4 years in college with his head buried in a book. The administration punished the entire team for the SUPPOSED actions of 3, without any evidence. What about the kids in HS that already have signed letters of intent? FSU didn't punish the entire football team and pull them from the Orange Bowl when one of their players was accused of sexual assault. The administration and the DA haven't even begun to see the consequences of their stupidity and rush to judgement.


165 posted on 04/20/2006 7:29:11 AM PDT by panthermom
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To: snarkytart
"There is NOWAY this slut is telling the truth."

I don't think anything is gained by that way of talking. Anything slutty she was doing was at the request of the men at the party. In fact, there is some indication she wasn't being slutty enough for their tastes. And her sluttiness is irrelevant to the charges. However, I DO think she's a liar.
166 posted on 04/20/2006 7:31:02 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Mad-Margaret
Do you think Nifong will arrest the third player without an indictment? Is he waiting for the second round of DNA test results? Will he sit on those test results until after the election?.
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I heard the test results were suppose to be back days ago, then yesterday FNC, reported that they were in and would be released today.
THEN..lol, someone heard anther reporter say that they will not be in for another week or two.

Does the DA have to turn over the DNA results immediately?
If not they could be in already and he is holding them.

Who knows what he is doing.
167 posted on 04/20/2006 7:31:33 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: Steve_Seattle
I don't think anything is gained by that way of talking. Anything slutty she was doing was at the request of the men at the party. In fact, there is some indication she wasn't being slutty enough for their tastes. And her sluttiness is irrelevant to the charges. However, I DO think she's a liar.
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Why is it wrong to say she's a slut? Because she needs protecting after ruining people's lives? Spare me.
Maybe if you did some research you would find out she is more than a stripper.
168 posted on 04/20/2006 7:34:32 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: panthermom
"The administration punished the entire team for the SUPPOSED actions of 3, without any evidence."

Apparently the team has a history of scrapes with the law; a story yesterday said that 1/3 of the team had been arrested for one thing or another, usually for minor stuff like public drunkenness and urination. I get the feeling that the team operated in kind of an "animal house" atmosphere. However, that doesn't mean the rape charges are true. I'm not necessarily defending the decision to drop the program, but trying to add a little more context to the decision.
169 posted on 04/20/2006 7:34:35 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: All

Tension high in Duke case N.C. stripper hides as TV shows pics
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1618249/posts


170 posted on 04/20/2006 7:34:47 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

I want to hear more about the photo lineup. The defense claims it was pictures only of players. Why can't reporters follow-up on that at least? If the accuser made her "selections" via an illegal process, why wouldn't that be of interest? And wouldn't an ethical DA's office want to refute that claim? Exactly when are Finnerty/Seligmann's attorneys entitled to that info?


171 posted on 04/20/2006 7:35:24 AM PDT by GAgal
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To: nina0113

Done!


172 posted on 04/20/2006 7:35:59 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Airborne1986

I was thinking the same thing last night. Usually a prosecutor has the upper hand. In this case, it seems like Nifong will have to spend a lot of time trying to discredit firm alibis before he even gets to his timeline.

I don't see how he thinks he can take this to trial unless, of course, he doesn't think it will get to trial and he is only doing this to pacify local constituents and political reasons. That said, the onus is now on Crystal Mangum to try and be credible. She is the one who gave "100%" ID on the guys. Nifong sort of has to proceed based on this, and taking the case to a GJ for a bill was a punt on his part.


173 posted on 04/20/2006 7:36:26 AM PDT by Carling (It's Danny, Sir)
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To: snarkytart
"Maybe if you did some research you would find out she is more than a stripper."

I'm aware of her history; I'm also aware of the history of the lacrosse team, as well as their reported behavior (racial slurs) apart from the alleged rape. I'm just saying that the woman's sluttiness is not something that entirely distinguishes her from the men, so there's no point in dwelling on it.
174 posted on 04/20/2006 7:37:09 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Steve_Seattle; GallopingGhost; Howlin; All

Updating timeline with taxi driver information ...

11:02:00 LAX party starts at Buchanan street house
11:15:00 Allure Escort Service Stripper #2 arrives at house (elapsed time 0:13:00)
11:45:00 - 12:00:00 AV arrives at house (0:30:00 - 0:45:00)
12:00:12 Photo of both strippers dancing (0:15:12)
12:00:40 Photo of both strippers dancing, bruises visible on AV (0:00:40)
12:01:16 Photo of AV kneeling over stripper #2 (0:00:46)
12:03:57 Photo of both strippers leaving room (0:02:41)
12:07:00 Seligman makes cell phone call (0:03:03)
12:09:00 Seligman makes another cell phone call (0:02:00)
12:11:00 Seligman makes another cell phone call (0:02:00)
12:14:00 Seligman makes cell phone call for cab, On Time Taxi (0:03:00)
12:19:00 Seligman enters cab 1.5 blocks from house (0:05:00)
12:24:00 Seligman uses Wachovia Bank ATM (0:05:00)
12:25 Seligman calls girlfriend from cell phone.
12:27? Cab driver, Mostafa, drove Seligmann and his friend to the Cook Out restaurant
12:30:12 Photo of AV on back porch going through purse (0:06:12)
12:30:47 Photo of AV on back porch apparently smiling(0:00:35)
12:31:26 Photo of AV apparently stumbling on back porch stairs (0:00:39)
12:37:58 Photo of AV lying down on back porch (0:06:32)
12:41:00 Photo of AV in stripper #2's car (0:03:02)
12:42:00 (Also reported as 12:41) Seligman uses key card to enter dorm (0:01:00)
12:53:00 Stripper #2 calls 911 about racial insults (0:11:00)
1:22:00 Kroger security calls 911 about AV in stripper #2's car
1:32:00 Durham Police arrive at Kroger (0:10:00)
1:49:00 DPD takes AV to mental health center (0:17:00)
2:31:00 DPD takes AV to Duke Hospital (0:42:00)
2:50:00 DPD changes incident report to include alledged rape (0:29:00)


175 posted on 04/20/2006 7:38:36 AM PDT by maggief ( ... and YOU know what I'm talkin' about.)
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To: Steve_Seattle

Thanks to the DA celebrated Media tour, we know the victim description of the event (or most of it): NO ONE, NO ONE
would pause for at least 30 seconds, if you had been beaten, kicked, strangled, raped, and sodomized by 3 men and there were 37 others in the building. The DA described her as fighting the players off as she couldn't breath - she was being strangled - and that she ran out of the house and was lucky to have escaped.

12:30:12 a.m.: The next photo shows the alleged victim on the back porch, carrying what appears to be her purse and a makeup bag. Her clothes are intact.

12:30:47 a.m.: A photo taken 30 seconds later shows the alleged victim on the porch and she appears to smile.

The aforementioned descriptions by a NEWS organization are not consistent in any way with the Brutality reported.

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176 posted on 04/20/2006 7:42:07 AM PDT by OakOak
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To: Steve_Seattle

If you have seen the website that was linked here to the escort service where she works, you would think "Slut" might be too kind.


177 posted on 04/20/2006 7:43:27 AM PDT by TommyDale
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To: Hatteras
"Coach K's ship is not any tighter run then the next ship."

Since big-time college athletics have long involved bringing in "student-athletes" who really aren't legitimate college students (who would not come close to qualifying if they weren't athletes), virtually any program in the country - in my opinion - has a whiff of illegitimacy about it. I think you have to go down to the lower divisions where athletic scholarships aren't offered to get back to something that resembles what college sports were originally intended to be.
178 posted on 04/20/2006 7:43:34 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Howlin

On the plus side, once her face is out there, more people will come forward revealing nefarious acts of her in the past.

As these young fellows are reported to come from families with money, I suspect there will be a line of people reporting all of her activities.

On the down side, the DA, who has a lot of power to make deals, isn't going to want to hear them.


179 posted on 04/20/2006 7:43:57 AM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: Steve_Seattle

1/3 is about 15 kids, I'm sure the Durham police get writers cramp on weekend nights from all of the tickets they write for drinking. It was easy to take this action because the NAACP, ACLU, etc could care less because they are PRIVILEGED WHITE BOYS.


180 posted on 04/20/2006 7:44:46 AM PDT by panthermom
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