Case Aganst Duke Student Unraveling Fast

ABC GMA | Chris Cummo

[Rider on the Rain]

A General Discharge changes to Honorable after six months provided the recipient "keeps his/her nose clean" for that six-month period in civvy life.

Can you cite the regulation that states that? I never heard of it.

[GAgal]

I read somewhere that Police Chief Chalmers is on personal leave, and he is not mentioned in this link about the key players in the case: http://www.newsobserver.com/122/story/430110.html

Oddly, the chief investigator, Ben Himan, has only been a police officer since 2002. I hope they meant he has only been a detective that long. This whole investigation has seemed incompetent, but I wonder if the competent investigators are being rushed and overridden by a vindictive, unethical DA. If the Police Chief is not on scene, who is in a position to challenge what Nifong's doing?

[Law is not justice but process]

I think the police department would have assigned a very experienced officer if they considered it an important case. It could be Himan has been a detective in Raleigh or somewhere else for 25 years before coming to Durham. With the high political profile of the case, they do not want to be accused of not taking the case seriously enough. On the other hand, the police may have thought the case was BS from the outset and shuffled it off on a near-Rookie. Seems unlikely in such a politically-charged case, but it could be.

I will say, though, that the best investigators are not always the most experienced. Himan may be a young guy with specialized training or God-given talent. He just may be their ace.

[Alia]

Thank you for posting this link and data.

Take a look at the North Carolina crime stats: http://sbi2.jus.state.nc.us/crp/public/Default.htm"

Have you read Kathleen Parker's article, today?

[El Gran Salseron]

Well, I have to admit that my info is very old. The regs may have changed but I doubt it. I have no link or source, just my knowledge of the military and how discharges work. When I was still in the military even a Bad Conduct Discharge would change to an Honorable after six months of keeping one's nose clean. I can't see the military trying to change it because, these days, there would be lawsuits by individuals AND the ACLU.

[gop_gene]

Nancy "Miss Piggy" Grace is unbearable. I'm a woman and I loathe women like her, she and her ilk (Kimberly Guillfoyle, Wendy Murphy, Susan Filan et al.) reinforce some of the worst stereotypes about women--screechy, emotional bordering on hysteria, irrational, man-hating, ball-busting feminazis who'll ALWAYS side with anyone that has a vag1na.

These "he-women" give women a bad name!

[gop_gene]

Yes, she did say "who saves receipts."

Very amusing how Nancy DISGrace is skeptical over the accused doing something she deems unusual, but the unusual behavior of the accuser (smiling on the phone after supposedly being brutally raped) doesn't mean squat.

It reminds me of how, in the Scott Peterson case (who I did think guilty) she and her kind were so suspicious about him not acting like a grieving husband should. Hence, guilty. Yet she has a different standard for Mangum's behavior. Nancy Grace is one loathsome, man-hating creature.

[Rider on the Rain]

Thanks. I did a little research and it appears the individual must apply (after 6 months) to have his discharge upgraded to honorable. I'm not sure the lady in question kept her nose clean, considering her past brushes with the law.

[El Gran Salseron]

I agree. I doubt she kept her nose clean.

A General Discharge is actually the least severe of all the "other-than-honorable" discharges.

It's kinda like a slap on the wrist or probabtion in civilian crimes.

[OakOak]

You said,

"Nancy "Miss Piggy" Grace is unbearable. I'm a woman and I loathe women like her, she and her ilk (Kimberly Guillfoyle, Wendy Murphy, Susan Filan et al.) reinforce some of the worst stereotypes about women--screechy, emotional bordering on hysteria, irrational, man-hating, ball-busting feminazis who'll ALWAYS side with anyone that has a vag1na.

These "he-women" give women a bad name!"


NOW there's a classic! Nancy Grace is repulsive. How frightening is it that someone so illogical and biased was a Prosecutor? OMG!

[OakOak]

* * WHAT's MORE LIKELY? * *

- She might be wrong about when she arrived.
- She may have been wrong about how long the Gang rape took place.
- She may not have a complete memory of the event yet.
- It may have been legit that it took her 31 hours to remember any details whatsoever and almost a month to ID ANYONE.
- She may have been wrong about having to run out of the building to escape her assailants.
- A Police Officer may have been wrong in his professional assessment that she was drunk.
- The 2nd Dancer may have not detected a Gang Rape on the same floor of a small house - or detected it from the subsequent behavior of the accuser.
- They may have have changed into Jackets before assaulting the women.
- They may have been calm getting into a cab, because not everyone acts the same after participating in a gang rape.
- They may have used fake names
- They may have manipulated the camera or film
- They may have pulled it off without leaving any DNA whatsoever (in a Gang-Rape sodomy?
- They may have drugged her.
- They may have requested 2 black strippers and perpetrated a hate crime.
- She may have neglected to say anything about a team or Duke students to the doctors and attending staff at Duke Medical center
- Her Father may have been mistaken when he initially said, in a lengthy interview that "she didn't tell us anything about it" which was in direct conflict with an interview where the accuser said her father came to visit her at the hospital and she stated she had to report the crime for him.
- She may have made an honest mistake when first reporting $2000.00 was in her missing purse.
- She may have been sober when arriving at the party and regularly makes a habit out of hopping around in one shoe (2 minutes after arriving).
- She may have not noticed when orally penetrated that her attackers were wearing condoms.
- She may have been smiling after the Gang-Rape due to incoherence - even though it doesn't match her account of the event.

So, the 20 aforementioned items may be true or this (1) may be true - SHE LIED.

[babygene]

"Shakespeare had a word for the present situation:"

Not to be picky, but it wasn't Shakespeare. It was Sir Walter Scott...

[stands2reason]

Why do you think I'm reading these threads and not tuned in to the TV?

[investigateworld]

>>>This whole investigation has seemed incompetent, but I wonder if the competent investigators are being rushed and overridden by a vindictive, unethical DA. If the Police Chief is not on scene, who is in a position to challenge what Nifong's doing?<<<

Chiefs of police serve at the pleasure of the employing city councils. They are almost always given the opportunity to select their command structure, notice the new 'acting' chief in Portland Oregon, dumped and re arraigned her department with only one day on the job.

So what errors and mishaps, or mal-practice that occurs here will always go back to them. And no honest cop will allow himself to manipulated like this. Sick leave or 'industrial injury' would be a acceptable, if not honest way out.

[Howlin]

:-)

To save yourself from screaming at the TV?

[investigateworld]

Cause I did that myself!

[Carolinamom]

Correct. I apologize to you and to Sir Walter Scott.

[babygene]

That' cool...

Frankly, I wouldn't have known this except that I had to look it up a short while ago...

Keep up the good work!

[snarkytart]

Don't know if this has already been posted but according to WAGA in Atlanta, prosecutors are saying that they have enough evidence to arrest a third suspect and it could come at any time.

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They have been saying that since Tuesday evening.