Arrests made in Duke lacrosse case

News & Observer ^ | Apr 18, 2006 | Anne Blythe and Benjamin Niolet

[Coldwater Creek]

Agreed! There is a wealth of knowledge here on FR. That is why I spend so much time on this site.

Maria

[OldFriend]

Both boys have been identified. They have been charged with kidnapping. They have posted bond and been released.

[Peach]

Yes, they could have worn condoms. And as I said, condoms leave enough of their own trace evidence that forensics can often identify exactly which brand of condom was used.

Regarding that e-mail, there was a Time magazine article yesterday that said that defense attorneys say a sting operation was used with that e-mail and that the actual e-mail was sent by the police to all the players. And on MSNBC, someone (Dan Abrams, I think) said the player who presumably sent the e-mail was actually in class the time the e-mail was sent.

[gondramB]

mariabush: "My gripe is that not one person on these threads were present at that house, everyone has suddenly become an expert on the "crime".

This is not a case of boys will be boys."

libstripper: "You've assumed the primary fact in issue--that she really was raped--when no credible cevidence of any such thing has been presented. Please elucidate the rest of us ignorant souls on what credible evidence there is that she actually was raped."


I don't see where she assumed that at all. She basically said she isn't sure and doesn't see how others can be sure either.

I don't like the grand jury system - one thing I don't like about is that the DA doesn't have to present all the evidence but just enough to get an indictment. We have no idea what evidence there is (or what evidence is notably missing)

[robertpaulsen]

"If the DA shows his hand and reveals that "roofies" were involved, that changes things."

How? Couldn't she have brought them and taken them herself?

[notigar]

She probably got dosed with some GHB. Its fairly common, makes the person seem drunk, and is out of the system in 4 hours.

[OldFriend]

Rumors are just that. The drug causes the person to pass out and not remember anything.

This certainly does not comport with her detailed account of the assault against her person.

I saw that the new 'spin' is going to be that she was drugged at the party.

[TommyDale]

Interview on NBC-17 in Raleigh.

[maggief]

She probably got dosed with some GHB.

Probably?

[Guenevere]

Did you even read my post????????????????

I said the father interviewed has twin sons who are part of the LaCrosse team.....not the ones indicted!

SHEEEEESH!

And for the record, it appears the complaining woman has a police record as well.

[Carolinamom]

If people were jailed for "Behaving like trash" there would not be enough jails in this country to hold them all.

[LWalk18]

How? Couldn't she have brought them and taken them herself?

Yes, but the defense has also admitted that one of the players did give her something to drink at some point.

[Peach]

The woman arrived at the party drunk or drugged. She was also bruised when she arrived at the party. And she was also missing some fake fingernails prior to the party. Photographic evidence show that.

And still, if those boys drugged her, when did they have time to rape her? Have you seen the timeline?

[Coldwater Creek]

I my boys had been even remotely involved in this mess, I can guarantee that I would not have been on the television claiming that this woman or the DA had ruined their reputations.

If you want to keep your good name intact do not put yourself in situations that would cause it to besmirched.

[Osage Orange]

So, if there's no genetic material on or in the woman, on what grounds can they even take these two men into custody? It's like lack of evidence means nothing anymore.

Considering how much we really know abut the case.....I don't think one can come to any conclusion yet.

[notigar]

Of course the defense attorney is saying that. He would blame the whole incident on a talking rabbit if he could.

[Coldwater Creek]

Exactly!!!!!

[jude24]

without the DNA, he's hasn't got a convincing way to prove it, and he knows it!

Prosecutors proved rape cases without DNA for centuries - and, if the assailants wore a condom, they might not leave DNA anyway. Absence of DNA needs to be explained, but it is not conclusive evidence disproving rape.

Certainly, we should keep our eyes on this case and reserve judgment until all the evidence is in. But, the fact that a grand jury found reason to believe a crime had been committed suggests that these allegations have at least some credibility.

[Perdogg]

Condoms leak and are messy. Some DNA is going to get out.

[FreedomPoster]

So change the subject, eh?

Some have said she was drunk on arrival, and that the pics seem to indicate this.