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NASCAR - Food City 500 - from Bristol - on FOX, Sunday 3/26 at 2:00pm ET (LIVE THREAD)
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Posted on 03/23/2006 5:07:15 AM PST by glock rocks

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To: WestCoastGal

Looks like lots of railbirds. Damn, you got it BAD to go watch tire testing. Way more boring than time trials.


881 posted on 03/28/2006 11:36:49 AM PST by Toby06 (Thank you.)
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To: Toby06; SouthTexas; GRRRRR; NormsRevenge; steveegg; glock rocks; All

Per XM Radio Jim Hunter just said that Jeff has been fined 10,000 and put on probation.


He also said that Nascar does not favor certain teams such as Hendrick.

I'm sure the story should be up soon on Na$car


882 posted on 03/28/2006 1:35:02 PM PST by WestCoastGal (What’s your water temp right there Junebug? 260-Oh, my bad 200.The little needle was in the way Heh)
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To: WestCoastGal

What did spencer get for hitting Busch?

Any word on how long the probation is?


883 posted on 03/28/2006 1:50:58 PM PST by Toby06 (Thank you.)
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To: Toby06

Spencer punched Busch in the nose. He was fined $25 big ones and sat out a week IIRC.

They didn't say how long probation, but Nascar should have the whole thing up soon.

Bono and the #1 team should not be fined for the expletive because Fox was on delay but someone dropped the ball and didn't edit the word out.


884 posted on 03/28/2006 2:08:10 PM PST by WestCoastGal (What’s your water temp right there Junebug? 260-Oh, my bad 200.The little needle was in the way Heh)
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To: WestCoastGal

Yep that was right, and Spencer was on probation from Aug 03 to the end of the year.

A little clip from that incident.......

Jack Roush was openly critical of NASCAR's decision to place his driver on probation. "It is incomprehensible to me that NASCAR used this incident to place Kurt Busch on probation. His only involvement in the 'altercation' was to be the recipient of a blow struck by an individual that is twice his size.

Maybe Jack's radio was on the blink. A tape of Busch's radio conversation Sunday with crew chief Jimmy Fennig indicated he might have purposely tried to expand on the "rubbin' is racin'" theory:

Busch: ''See, I'm not very good at being bad. I was trying to flatten the [No.] 7 car [Spencer] fender and I got mine. I needed to be further forward on his car.''

Fennig: ''They just showed that on TV. You just missed by about an inch or two. Ah, not far enough forward.''

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2003/writers/b_duane_cross/08/20/spencer.busch/index.html


885 posted on 03/28/2006 2:12:07 PM PST by WestCoastGal (What’s your water temp right there Junebug? 260-Oh, my bad 200.The little needle was in the way Heh)
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To: Toby06
What did spencer get for hitting Busch?

A $25,000 fine and a 1-weekend suspension.

886 posted on 03/28/2006 2:12:41 PM PST by steveegg (Sen. Ted "Swimmer" Kennedy's vehicles have killed more people than V.P. Dick Cheney's guns)
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Gordon's Penalty
887 posted on 03/28/2006 2:16:17 PM PST by I want to know
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To: WestCoastGal
He also said that Nascar does not favor certain teams such as Hendrick.

Really? From Jayski, besides the Mr. Excitement $25K/1-weekend parking, we have Smoke losing $50K and 25 points for knocking the wind out of Shrub at Sonoma a couple years back (I will point out that Shrub was and is part of Team Hendrick), Happy getting the Jimmy punishment for fighting in 2002 and a couple of Happy's crewmen being suspended a weekend for their part in Happy's altercation with Rudd in 2003.

888 posted on 03/28/2006 2:21:13 PM PST by steveegg (Sen. Ted "Swimmer" Kennedy's vehicles have killed more people than V.P. Dick Cheney's guns)
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I can't figure out how they figure out fines and punishment. Kind of makes you wonder.

I am just glad my driver only cusses and doesn't fight. Of course that one word cost him $25 big ones and 25 POINTS!!

Martinsville should be interesting.


889 posted on 03/28/2006 3:17:37 PM PST by WestCoastGal (What’s your water temp right there Junebug? 260-Oh, my bad 200.The little needle was in the way Heh)
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This is somewhat long, but I found it interesting. I just was wondering whether we need to change his name to fit the more aggressive Jeff. :) Flash doesn't fit his description of himself.......




Jeff Gordon says the person that NASCAR fined $10,000 on Tuesday for shoving Matt Kenseth after Sunday's race at Bristol Motor Speedway is closer to who he is than what fans have seen.

Gordon, also placed on probation until Aug. 30, 2006, took a two-handed jab at Kenseth on pit road when Kenseth approached him to explain the bump that sent the four-time Nextel Cup champion from third place to 21st on the final lap.


It was the first time in Gordon's 14-year Cup career that he has been fined for conduct. His team was fined in 2000 for an equipment violation and he was fined twice as an owner for violations on Jimmie Johnson's car involving crew chief Chad Knaus.

"For many, many years I've been so reserved from controversy,'' Gordon said. "For years, I was so concern with, 'What is this person going to think? What is that person going to think?' I was more caught up in that than being true to myself.

"What you see today is a truer Jeff Gordon and who I really am.''

Gordon said he chose to avoid controversy early in his career because he came from an open wheel background and didn't grow up in the Southeast where many drivers came from at the time.

"I felt I had to do extra things to be accepted,'' he said. "Now that I've established myself, I'm older and I understand life a little more, really the way to enjoy life and enjoy racing more is to be me.''

That doesn't mean Gordon condones shoving Kenseth, who like himself has a reputation for racing clean. He placed part of the blame on NASCAR, saying he was told to park on pit road near Kenseth's car instead of driving to his hauler as normally is the case for those outside the top five.

"[Matt] said it best, that it probably wasn't the best time to walk over to me,'' said Gordon, referring to a comment by Kenseth after the incident. "I told NASCAR had I been thinking more clearly at the time without being so angry, I'm sure I wouldn't have shoved him.''

Gordon added there appears to be more incidents off the track lately because NASCAR isn't doing enough to temper aggressive driving on the track.

"If somebody intentionally runs into somebody on the track, it seems it has to be so obvious for NASCAR to take action that it usually doesn't happen,'' he said. "Yet off the track, they're easy to jump at it.''


"We have drivers who think it's OK for them to do something, but it's not OK for somebody to do it to them,'' Burton told reporters during a Monday Car of Tomorrow test at Bristol. "Jeff Gordon's a perfect example.''

Gordon said there was no conscious effort to wreck Truex Jr.

"Martin completely checked up in front of me,'' he said. "The problem is I was an inch off his rear bumper when it happened. He did not have any time for error.

"Jeff Burton is mad because he got caught up in the wreck. I didn't see it being any different than when he got into [Scott Riggs]. He didn't mean to get into [Riggs], but people checked up in front of him.''

NASCAR spokesman Jim Hunter said Gordon's fine was consistent with past violations of the same nature, reminding Tony Stewart was fined no more than $10,000 for his first three incidents,

"A lot of people are going to say it should have been more, saying we fined Tony $50,000 [in 2004],'' Hunter said. "But Tony had a string of fines leading up to the $50,000.''

Gordon also admitted missing the Chase for the Nextel Cup last season has somewhat changed his approach to driving.

"I kind of heard a lot last year that maybe I wasn't being aggressive enough on the racetrack,'' said Gordon, who is seventh in points heading into Sunday's race at Martinsville [Va.].

" . . . I'm looking at last year and what as a driver I could have done differently or better at times to get us in the Chase or be in position to win more races. I felt like there were times when I could have been more aggressive.''

Gordon said sometimes that aggression carries over off the track like it did at Bristol.

"I guess that's maybe the Jeff Gordon that has evolved over the years,'' he said. "In the past I've reserved a lot of my emotions. I'm not afraid to show them these days. I'm just being me.''


890 posted on 03/28/2006 3:29:30 PM PST by WestCoastGal (What’s your water temp right there Junebug? 260-Oh, my bad 200.The little needle was in the way Heh)
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Thanks WCG...great article. I would like to see Jeff be more aggresive on the track. I'd like to see him get PO'd at his crew chieft who just can't seem to set his cars up...all I hear from JG is " tight, loose, tight, loose..."...


891 posted on 03/28/2006 3:58:59 PM PST by GRRRRR (ACLU, Hitliary and DemonRats are the Enemies of AMERICA and FREEDOM)
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To: GRRRRR; SouthTexas

It will be interesting to see Jeff race the next few weeks.

I've been happy with Jr's added gusto this year with his new old crewchief back. I've even seen him bumping a few here and there.

Hopefully ST didn't get washed away today with the storms.


892 posted on 03/28/2006 4:15:31 PM PST by WestCoastGal (What’s your water temp right there Junebug? 260-Oh, my bad 200.The little needle was in the way Heh)
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Most of the other drivers fines that were compared to this had a history, I.E. Spencer, Stewart. I've been a Gordon fan for about eight years and that was the first time I have ever seen him retaliate off track.

Actually enjoyed it! Maybe they should have PAID him to get upset. :)

893 posted on 03/28/2006 4:22:42 PM PST by SouthTexas (There's a hot time in Gay Paris tonight.)
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Monday, March 27, 2006

[I snipped off the beginning paragraphs re: the Harvick interview about Busch since we've heard that already]...




2. I believe I could come up with a very convincing argument on both sides of whether what Busch did to Matt Kenseth on Lap 496 was fair.

On the one hand, drivers will tell you that it's against the "code" to try to wreck somebody to pass them, even if it's for the lead with five laps left at Bristol. Kenseth said that's what Busch did, and of course Busch did not agree.

For sure, Busch wasn't alongside Kenseth when he bumped him, he was behind him. In some drivers' eyes, that makes a difference. On the other hand, if Busch had just ridden around in second and not tried to win, what would people be saying about him?

You've got to do what you can to win, don't you? It certainly makes for a good debate.

3. If Robby Gordon had shoved Matt Kenseth after the race, reckon he'd get the same discipline from NASCAR that Jeff Gordon gets?

4. Bumping somebody out of the way constitutes "aggressive driving" and draws a penalty at Daytona. Bumping somebody out of the way at Bristol is "how you pass?"

5. Some folks have pointed out to me that the rear TV panel on Dale Jarrett's Ford might not have been made out of sheet metal but out of Fiberglas. OK, but when it flies off the car into the stands it's still a projectile.

If that situation had been addressed as it was happening by NASCAR, the whole outcome of Sunday's race might have changed given Jarrett's role in keeping Kenseth behind him as Busch was catching up.

http://turn-lane.blogspot.com/


894 posted on 03/28/2006 4:37:20 PM PST by WestCoastGal (What’s your water temp right there Junebug? 260-Oh, my bad 200.The little needle was in the way Heh)
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NASCAR spokesman Jim Hunter said Gordon's fine was consistent with past violations of the same nature, reminding Tony Stewart was fined no more than $10,000 for his first three incidents,...

Most of the other drivers fines that were compared to this had a history, I.E. Spencer, Stewart. I've been a Gordon fan for about eight years and that was the first time I have ever seen him retaliate off track.

How many incidents did Harvick have before he got parked for a weekend and fined $25K for fighting? Not many. Further, this wasn't the first time that Jeff (allegedly) retaliated off-the-track for something that happened on the track. There were multiple reports that he and Mike Bliss got into it at a Chicago-area airport after the 2005 USG Sheetrock 400, where Bliss put Flash into the wall.

895 posted on 03/28/2006 4:38:26 PM PST by steveegg (Sen. Ted "Swimmer" Kennedy's vehicles have killed more people than V.P. Dick Cheney's guns)
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True about Harvick, Na$car always proves they are inconsistent. However, I read a lot of sites where fans post their thoughts and most liked the extra controversy this weekend.

What I would like to know is why did Na$car make Robby Gordon hold in his pitbox? I know he missed the commitment cone originally which I thought called for a pass through penalty or start at the end of the longest line.

If I heard correctly Na$car made him stay in the box because he was mad over the radio for the original penalty. If that is correct that is way out of line IMO.
896 posted on 03/28/2006 4:50:50 PM PST by WestCoastGal (What’s your water temp right there Junebug? 260-Oh, my bad 200.The little needle was in the way Heh)
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I still liked it!

We should have left it alone when it was "just Bristol".LOL

897 posted on 03/28/2006 4:50:58 PM PST by SouthTexas (There's a hot time in Gay Paris tonight.)
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To: steveegg
There was never any confirmation from either camp concerning the fight at the airport. The speculation that there might have been a fight occured when Mike Bliss showed up at the next race with a black eye. However, I don't think a fight happened between the two.

And as far as the incidents of Harvick and Stewart, memories are short but they were considered the "bad boys" of NASCAR serveral years ago logging several incidents between the both of them. But both have matured and the past is over.

As for the incident between Gordon and Kenseth at Bristol, I don't condone what Gordon did. Kenseth was racing for position, pure and simple. All the bumping and banging (of cars, that is) is racing at Bristol.

One last thought. The post race shows all delighted in the "new" Jeff Gordon (especially Kenny Wallace and Jimmy Spencer). I thought it was interesting to see their reaction to Gordon's shove of Kenseth. I think they liked seeing the unexpected and felt it would be good for the sport.

898 posted on 03/28/2006 5:23:20 PM PST by I want to know
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I am curious -- what is the fastest a NASCAR car has ever gone during a race or qualifying? I assume it was at 'Dega or Daytona before the implementation of plates?


899 posted on 03/28/2006 8:47:55 PM PST by fideist
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900

That was easy.

900 posted on 03/29/2006 10:38:46 AM PST by fideist
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