Oregon State University Archaeologists Uncover 10,000 Year Old Coastal Site (Bandon, Oregon)

Apple Gate ^ | 1-26-2006 | Mark Floyd

[blam]

Kennewick Man's relatives?

[blam]

GGG Ping.

&

A coastal archaeologists ping.

[xcamel]

Good thing the "easterly people" and the "north men" were here to show them the better parts of the continent after they walked all the way up from Colombia.

/almost kidding

[Coyoteman]

Their theory: these older sediments hold the greatest potential for holding late Pleistocene (older than about 11,000 years) or early Holocene sites.

I learned that in grad school! If you want a 10,000 year old site, better find 10,000 year old dirt.

[blam]

"If you want a 10,000 year old site, better find 10,000 year old dirt."

LOL.

I'm reminder of Al Goodyear (Topper Site). He said he stopped digging there when he hit the Clovis level. Only later did he decide to dig deeper. Guess what, he found more human mfg artifacts at the deeper level too.

The Clovis (Only) folks will say the gophers buried these things .

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***Humans may have come to Oregon earlier than 12,000 years ago,****

Years ago, on a National Geograohic special, L.S.B. Leakey, of Kenya fame, came to the U.S. and toured a site that was estimated to be about 12000 years old. Out of his African element, he declared the artifacts were actually 120000 years old.
No one there believed him but no one corrected him because he was the patron saint of evolution.

[blam]

"Years ago, on a National Geograohic special, L.S.B. Leakey, of Kenya fame, came to the U.S. and toured a site that was estimated to be about 12000 years old. Out of his African element, he declared the artifacts were actually 120000 years old. "

Yup. Leakey was involved with dating this site in California years ago.

Calico: A 200,000 Year Old Site In The Americas?

[SunkenCiv]

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[lizma]

/almost kidding

LOL. It's frusratating to witness such a group of rusty wheels. It seems their life goal is to freeze knwledge based on what they learned in grad school.

With time, knowlege and facts will override PC pleas for grants. Hopefully.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

This is in MY neighborhood!

http://mapper.acme.com/?lat=43.030485&long=-124.41528&scale=15

I'm 4 miles south of Bandon on Hwy 101

About 1 1/2 miles due west to the ocean,
I can hear it at night.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

PING

[Dustbunny]

What a great find.

As for their 'theory' of when man arrived and how early, I reserve my right to be very skeptical.

[blam]

"This is in MY neighborhood!"

Great. Go over there and give us a first hand report.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"The site, located on a bluff just south of Bandon, OR"

"Go over there and give us a first hand report."

Exactly what bluff, LOL

[Bernard Marx]

"At that time, the ocean was much lower and the shoreline was a few kilometers west," Hall said, "meaning that any site that was on the coast during the late Pleistocene is now under water."

We've been telling them here at FR for years now that the earliest migrants came by sea probably before or during the last Ice Age. If I was in a freezing cold boat of some kind I'd want to put ashore wherever I could to build a fire, whip up some Pleistocene equivalent of cioppino or oysters Rockefeller and rest for the next stage of the trip south to the warm country.

The oldest human remains in California, maybe in North America, were found just a few miles from where I live in the Channel Islands. Arlington Springs Woman So was a pygmy mammoth (which seems to excite researchers much more than the significant human remains!)

Working on that assumption it might be wise (to paraphrase Sam Kinnison) to Go Where the Artifacts Are!

[Ptarmigan]

Could be. I think Ainus/Polynesian likely. They were likely the first to come to the Americas.

[blam]

"If I was in a freezing cold boat of some kind I'd want to put ashore wherever I could to build a fire, whip up some Pleistocene equivalent of cioppino or oysters Rockefeller and rest for the next stage of the trip south to the warm country."

I've often wondered if they knew going south would lead to warm weather.

"The oldest human remains in California, maybe in North America, were found just a few miles from where I live in the Channel Islands. Arlington Springs Woman."

Arlington Springs Woman is the oldest skeleton ever found in the Americas. Previous to this accurate dating Luzia (Brazil) was the oldest.

"So was a pygmy mammoth (which seems to excite researchers much more than the significant human remains!)"

Some believe those pygmy mammoth bones had been cooked.

[blam]

"I think Ainus/Polynesian likely. They were likely the first to come to the Americas."

I agree.

If you'll take the Journey Of Mankind developed from DNA studies by professor Stephen Oppenheimer, you'll see that he places humans at Meadowcroft 25,000 years ago and then, they became isolated there during the Last Glacial Maximum(LGM) 18-23,000 years ago. I think these were from Jomon/Ainu stock. These people also likely contained the so called X-gene (European).

[blam]

Also, Keep in mind that the oldest (undisputed) Mongoloid skeleton ever found is only 10k years old. (Re: Oppenheimer)

[Bernard Marx]

I've often wondered if they knew going south would lead to warm weather.

There's no way to ever truly know, of course, but I think they did. Those ancients were close observers of nature and I'm convinced they understood at least the essentials of celestial navigation and the north/south climate concept. Also I believe their travels weren't simply one way, and after the first hardy souls arrived south of the ice, some went back to spread the word.