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'King Kong' Bombing Big Time at Box Office
FoxNews ^ | December 16,2005 | Roger Friedman

Posted on 12/16/2005 6:02:01 PM PST by heldmyw

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To: A Mississippian

I'm with you. I just got back from seeing this film at a late show - It was really good - and I thought the other King Kong's were stupid. I loved the way the ape was so expressive. I laughed and cried at this movie - and I also thought it was better than Narnia - which needed more story.


101 posted on 12/17/2005 12:38:10 AM PST by mommya
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To: heldmyw

I showed the King Kong advertisement to my English class yesterday (six fanatical movie-going Japanese kids between ages 18 and 26) and asked how many of them planned to see it.

Answer -- none. No interest at all.

Lots of interest about the new Harry Potter, Yamato and the new Geisha movie, but King Kong is not even on their radar.


102 posted on 12/17/2005 12:55:21 AM PST by Ronin (When the fox gnaws.... SMILE!!!)
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To: HairOfTheDog; birbear
Well, I have a lot of affection for Peter Jackson (as do a lot of others) for doing so beautifully those same LoTR movies you hated.

I can't believe how many people on this thread sound like Liberals, wishing misfortune on guys like Peter Jackson when he goes and makes a totally clean movie with no profanity, no sex scenes or nudity, no gratuitous gore, no Liberal political agenda -- in other words, a guy who makes a movie WITHOUT all the things that we conservatives complain about. You'd think that folks would be praising him for breaking the Liberal Hollywood mold. Yet there are a ton of FReepers who STILL knock the guy, which makes me think of Liberals who are just envious of others' success.

I saw the movie, loved it, and plan to go see it again. Peter Jackson deserves success because he is doing the very thing that so many of us wish moviemakers would do: produce a clean flick with no political agenda.

103 posted on 12/17/2005 10:24:36 AM PST by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: Finny

Well said :~D


104 posted on 12/17/2005 10:28:21 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: Finny

been there done that...

didn't even like the original that much, i'm just burned out for life on godzilla type movies.


105 posted on 12/17/2005 11:21:51 AM PST by conservative physics
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To: Finny
I'm not knocking the guy for being succesful.

I'm knocking the guy for making (in my humble opinion) boring movies.
106 posted on 12/17/2005 1:08:36 PM PST by birbear (Admit it. you clicked on the "I have already previewed" button without actually previewing the post.)
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To: Main Street
One is, how the heck did they find a gorilla that big?! And how did they teach him to act?!

I just have to say, when my aged grandma first saw Jurassic Park, at the scene where the T-rex eats the guy on the toilet, she turned to me and yelled, "How did they train that dinosaur to DO THAT?!"

I have no desire to see King Kong, because it's three hours long, I'm very busy this time of year, and I heard it had gross scenes of people being eaten. Plus, I already saw the original King Kong.

107 posted on 12/18/2005 8:48:48 AM PST by ReagansShinyHair
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To: wardaddy; birbear; All
Adrien Brody is a really good young actor in my opinion.

I first saw (or at least noticed) Brody in the Pianist, Watts in Mulholland Drive, and Black in School of Rock.

I went to see these movies not because I like to go to blockbusters, but because I like what I think are good movies. The thing in common with these movies is that they are both interesting and off the beaten path.

I suspect Peter Jackson is a movie fanatic of the Spielberg mold, and that he was looking at movies such as these for casting King Kong.

Here is what I think about everyone judging KK by its "Box Office Mojo" or whatever.

I suspect Jackson did not make King Kong for the money. I think he made it for himself and for his friends. Having seen it myself now, I think it's pretty good. The first 20 minutes alone are, I think, worth the price of admission in the way Jackson captures the feel of the Depression era (remarkable in my opinion because he's from New Zealand).

If Jackson had wanted to pick name brand actors and actresses, I imagine with the budget that he had, he could have and he would have. But you would not be watching the movie anymore, you would be watching the personalities. Can one imagine Tom Cruise as Jack Denham?

I am not saying it is a perfect movie. Jackson piled it on a little too much-- he could have slimmed it down a little more, held off on some of the special effects in favor of more character development. But that's a quibble. And anyway, I don't think he made the picture as much for the audience as for himself and his friends. That's OK with me-- I think he and his friends have pretty good taste in movies.

108 posted on 12/19/2005 1:51:32 AM PST by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: SteveH

I agree with all your assessments.

I saw the movie with my husband (who did not like it) but I did.

I'll admit I covered my face during the bugs sequence (couldn't handle it) but the rest of the movie was glorious.

I found myself paying the most attention during the scenes with Naomi and King Kong. They were beautifully filmed, directed and acted. She is some radiant actress.

I also enjoyed Adrien's performance. I am a fan of his anyway but he brought a great deal of sensitivity to the part.

Jack Black I had a little trouble with. Robert Armstrong, to me, in the first film nailed the part but I felt in some scenes Jack Black was good and in others he was not.

The supporting characters provided good and interesting acting, the young sailor and his mentor, the experienced sea captain and Lumpy, the cook. Gotta love Andy Serkis. Is there anything he can't do?

As mentioned, the special effects were phenomenal but you expect that of a Peter Jackson film. However, the acting is what sold me on the picture.

One disappointment, however, was the music - some parts of it were great - other parts of the movie I could barely hear it. Perhaps I am spoiled by the excellent soundtrack of all the LOTR movies.

Anyway, I will go see it again and I give Peter Jackson credit for tackling such a project.


109 posted on 12/19/2005 5:45:25 AM PST by bunches (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: heldmyw
I saw it last night - about the only good thing was that the guy behind me fell asleep and stopped kicking my chair (a hanging offense in my book).

I thought it was predictable and rather dull. It also seemed like every other scene involved a shot of the ape's eye's with the dame interpreting it as she wished.

I gave it a mental 6 on a scale of 10. Both my daughter and wife were teary eyed on the way out and thought it was great.

I would like to see how the boys vs. girls liked it. A lot of chick flik type scenes IMHO.

110 posted on 12/19/2005 5:50:18 AM PST by freedomlover (If you read this tag line, all your wildest dreams will come true.)
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To: bunches
Thanks. I think I overhyped the opening sequence, but I still found it a lot better than the foundations of most films. I also freaked over the spider pit scenes. I found it as bad as "Alien." Later on, some other scenes reminded me so much of "Pitch Black" that I would be willing to bet that Jackson had borrowed some of the F/X folks who had worked on that.

I also agree that Black is a little odd for his part. He overacts a bit. Still, I like him in general, I don't mind minor flaws (if it is a flaw-- his character, after all, is a self-promoter), and variety adds spice. Jackson is certainly aware of Black's circus-barker style and by casting him, deliberately intended his performance style to be a part of the film. Someone like Cruise or Pitt in that role would possibly sink the film IMHO...

111 posted on 12/19/2005 12:24:01 PM PST by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: Finny
Exactly what I was thinking. Give some Freepers enough time and they will see something "anti-Israel" about King Kong and boycott it. Never fails.

This is the ONE movie that came out this year that I can safely take my family to see and not worry about political agendas or excessive nudity/violence.

112 posted on 12/19/2005 2:05:39 PM PST by Windsong (Jesus Saves, but Buddha makes incremental backups)
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To: systematic

worldwide total as of last night $149,000.000


113 posted on 12/19/2005 5:08:29 PM PST by bigsigh
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To: SteveH
Watts in Mulholland Drive

Heck, I forgot about that movie! Strange flick but she was amazingly hot in that.

114 posted on 12/19/2005 6:10:18 PM PST by stacytec (Nihilism, its whats for dinner)
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To: Finny

Um, this particular conservative likes his nudity, sex and gore as long as its not being marketed to 13 year olds. The complaint I've always had is that movies that subscribe solely to these elements usually end up being horrible.


115 posted on 12/19/2005 6:17:35 PM PST by stacytec (Nihilism, its whats for dinner)
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To: birbear

psst... did you notice that Narnia took over the number 1 position yesterday?


116 posted on 12/22/2005 5:10:50 PM PST by birbear (Admit it. you clicked on the "I have already previewed" button without actually previewing the post.)
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To: Finny
I can't believe how many people on this thread sound like Liberals, wishing misfortune on guys like Peter Jackson when he goes and makes a totally clean movie with no profanity, no sex scenes or nudity, no gratuitous gore, no Liberal political agenda -- in other words, a guy who makes a movie WITHOUT all the things that we conservatives complain about. You'd think that folks would be praising him for breaking the Liberal Hollywood mold. Yet there are a ton of FReepers who STILL knock the guy, which makes me think of Liberals who are just envious of others' success.

Truly, I wish Peter well. Forgotten Silver is my favorite of his films. Heathers (haven't seen) were also supposed to be well done. LOTR and KK were two life-long dreams and are thoroughly engrossing films. Of the three Ring films, Fellowship seemed truest to the story and the rest were over-the-top, IMHO. KK was similar. Way too many effects (brilliantly done) but often to no purpose. The second and third acts were primarily action sequences and just the hint of a story. I would love to see how Jackson handles a screenplay by another author.

But in honesty, I had a friend who has turned stridently anti-Christian in the last few years. His family begged him to take them to Narnia and he reported to me how much he disliked it. He went on to gloat that Kong would eat Narnia's lunch in every respect and couldn't wait to see it. I haven't heard a word from him about Kong since the release.

I don't understand the divide between the two films either, but there does seem to be two camps that have coalesced about the the films: sympathetic red-staters for Narnia and sympathetic blue-staters for Kong.

117 posted on 12/25/2005 2:30:58 AM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Finny
makes a totally clean movie with no profanity, no sex scenes or nudity, no gratuitous gore, no Liberal political agenda

I just saw this movie and was waiting for the Liberal agenda. I do feel there was a subtle one although the strong points of the movie overwhelmed it and made it less obtrusive.

Setting the story at the time of the Great Depression is anti business. Making the writer the hero (he is unattractive, puts his art above commercial success, etc.) is very PC. Making the audience for Kong a bunch of callous rich people is PC. Sending the heroine to a burlesque show could be pro feminism. The only non PC thing was the movie actor action hero actually comes back to save the day on the island. Also, the military looks cruel and heartless when they shoot the ape in the back (leftists hate the military).

But I did like the movie as all the PC crap was buried beneath the main story.

118 posted on 12/25/2005 6:39:45 AM PST by staytrue (MOONBAT conservatives are those who would rather lose to a liberal than support a moderate)
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To: satchmodog9
Maybe everyone is going to see the turd burglar cowboy movie the media has been talking about for three straight days.

Straight days??? More like 14 gay days.

119 posted on 12/25/2005 6:42:49 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Windsong
This is the ONE movie that came out this year that I can safely take my family to see and not worry about political agendas or excessive nudity/violence.

No nudity, true. (Though it is a bit chilly outside, at times...) Personally, I thought it was quite violent. However, the film was sanitized of the blood and gore that should accompany violence.

120 posted on 12/25/2005 12:42:09 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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