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Abu Graib Photos
the pierce gazette | 9-30-05 | Ted Pierce

Posted on 09/30/2005 8:26:52 AM PDT by tpierce98

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To: Stu Cohen
And see how silly you are. "Should we censor everything that might offend "terrorists?"

First off, why the quotes around terrorists? Do you not think murdering people indiscriminately is terrorism? What do you call such people, art lovers? Second, no one is suggesting we censor "everything that might offend "terrorists?""

21 posted on 09/30/2005 9:19:40 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (MSM: de facto allies of America's enemies.)
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To: San Jacinto
Yes. What happened at Abu Grahib happened, and when (or if) these pictures are paraded forth, more will happen.

Well, actions have consequences.

When we see pictures of their handiwork, it pisses us off. Should they censor those pictures?

If you don't want people to get angry about a misdeed, don't do it. The camera is simply the messenger of the action. The action is what people should/shouldn't be mad at.

The Islamo-fascist Jihadis will use them to fan hatred of America and more bombs will go off and more people will die if the pictures are released than if they are not released.

Well, we handed them the ammunition, didn't we? The camera is simply the messenger. Did we do the deeds, or did we not?

And when did every become so concerned with offending terrorists? I have never seen that as a top priority.

"Hey, don't invade Iraq, Islamofacists will use it as an excuse to fan the flames of hatred of America". I never heard that. I thought their opinion was irrelevant?

Our difficult tasks in Iraq will be made more difficult.

In that we have to make sure there aren't camera's around to document when we paint people's penises? Face it, if someone invaded your country, you would want to know what they were up to, and if they were as virtous as they held thmeslves up to be. They Iraqi's have a right to know what we did in the building every bit as much as they have a right to know what Saddam allegedly did. At least he wasn't stupid enough to take pictures.

The idiots who committed the Abu Grahib "atrocities" have already been punished. The half-wit looking Lyndie England just started serving her 3 year stretch.

Then let that be known when the pictures are released.

As far as what happened to the Abu Grahib prisoners (many of whom were probably complicit in killing American soldiers) is no big deal as far as I'm concerned.

If that is your position, then don't worry who it might "offend". Be proud of the pictures.

In the Arab world, however, it is a real big deal.

We do alot in the Arab world that is a bid deal.

The only purposes motivating the ACLU and the Clinton-Judge are to (1) weaken America internationally, (2) aid the terrorists in Iraq, (2) give Splash-boy and Turbin more fodder for Senate speeches and (3) provide the NY Slimes with another 52 straight days of Front Page coverage of this "massive news event".

Their motivations don't matter. Photos are photos. They are real or faked. If they are real, go ahead and report, then let the people decide. We don't need thought police.

I say screw the ACLU, screw the judge, and for that matter, screw the jihadists who had to wear panties on their heads.

For someone with such a "screw you" attitude toward jihadists, you seem to be overly concerned with offending them.

22 posted on 09/30/2005 9:24:17 AM PDT by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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To: elhombrelibre
Sure it does. Would you also insist, then, that the public see kiddie porn?

Kiddie porn is illegal. And I don't "insist" that the public see anything. Turn on Monday Night Football and be happy for all I care.

After all, it may offend some but who am I to say that's beyond the pale?

Your legislators decided for you.

Our how about court pictures of a rape victim. The pictures might offend the woman, but everything offends someone.

They release the photo of the accused well before conviction. As such, I don't see a problem your scenario.

And if these abu Graib pictures inspire our enemies and make it easier for them to recruit more mass murderers, well it's all academic to you.

I think our invasion of Iraq and Afganistan acccomplished that task. I doubt the photos will be what pushes them over the edge.

After all, everything offends someone, why worry about offending Iraqis whom we hope to turn against the Islamic radicals.

I don't believe in propoganda.

You must be a super sophist with your outlook, a real deep thinker.

I am what I am. Your can form your own opinion of what that is. I won't try to manipulate your opinion.

23 posted on 09/30/2005 9:29:59 AM PDT by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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To: Stu Cohen
Well, we handed them the ammunition, didn't we?

Not yet, but you're clearly in favor of it.

For someone with such a "screw you" attitude toward jihadists, you seem to be overly concerned with offending them.

ROFLMAO!! I've offended a few jihadists (or at least their sympathizers) face to face. If all I thought the pics would do is "offend" someone, I would donate $ to publish them worldwide.

24 posted on 09/30/2005 9:31:32 AM PDT by San Jacinto
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To: Stu Cohen
Well, Stu, you're a nut job who'd probably have allowed some misguided libertarianism to help the NAZIS. Are do you not know that we routinely censored things during WWII to achieve our victory over them? By the way, were you in favor of our wars in Afghanistan and Iraq? If not, why not?
25 posted on 09/30/2005 9:35:02 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (MSM: de facto allies of America's enemies.)
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To: Stu Cohen
Why the quotation marks around the word terrorists, Stu? Do you think they are not?
26 posted on 09/30/2005 9:36:47 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (MSM: de facto allies of America's enemies.)
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To: San Jacinto
Not yet, but you're clearly in favor of it.

I'm in favor of not doing things that we are ashamed of.

ROFLMAO!! I've offended a few jihadists (or at least their sympathizers) face to face. If all I thought the pics would do is "offend" someone, I would donate $ to publish them worldwide.

Well, that is all they will do. They will only "offend" them. The pictures will not reach out and slap them. The pictures will not detonate bombs in their house. All that pictures have the power to do is offend. They are images. they can only invoke positive, nagative, or neutral reactions.

So, I imagine the pictures will give them a negative feeling (offending is the usual word, though "distrubed" or whatever other word you choose can be susbtituted)

Get your donation money ready. You can really help to piss them off.

27 posted on 09/30/2005 9:39:26 AM PDT by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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To: elhombrelibre
Why the quotation marks around the word terrorists, Stu? Do you think they are not?

Do I think who are not?

28 posted on 09/30/2005 9:40:29 AM PDT by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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To: Stu Cohen
Now, you're just being stupid. Do you not think the terrorists are terrorists?
29 posted on 09/30/2005 9:42:07 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (MSM: de facto allies of America's enemies.)
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To: elhombrelibre
Well, Stu, you're a nut job ..../i>

Ah, the ad-hominem. The international declaration of intellectual defeat.

30 posted on 09/30/2005 9:42:50 AM PDT by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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To: elhombrelibre
Now, you're just being stupid.

Can you bow out gracefully, or are you determined to go out in a blaze of 3rd grade namecalling?

31 posted on 09/30/2005 9:45:26 AM PDT by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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To: Stu Cohen

No, it's a statement of fact. And I've a right to state the facts, and all you can do you, sissy, is be offended. But unlike the jihad-is, we both know you couldn't do anything about it but act like a pseudo intellectual, which you clear are not.


32 posted on 09/30/2005 9:46:06 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (MSM: de facto allies of America's enemies.)
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To: Stu Cohen
No, it's a statement of fact. And I've a right to state the facts, and all you can do you, sissy, is be offended. But unlike the jihad-is, we both know you couldn't do anything about it but act like a pseudo intellectual, which you clear are.
33 posted on 09/30/2005 9:46:28 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (MSM: de facto allies of America's enemies.)
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To: Stu Cohen
I might as well call you names. You won't answer the question. Are the people who commit mass murder in Iraq terrorists or are they not? Are you in favor of them attacking Americans?
34 posted on 09/30/2005 9:49:15 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (MSM: de facto allies of America's enemies.)
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To: elhombrelibre
No, it's a statement of fact.

Your opinion of my stupidity is a statment of fact?

This is why I am adamantly against public education.

35 posted on 09/30/2005 9:55:13 AM PDT by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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To: elhombrelibre
I might as well call you names.

Uh, yeah, you "might as well".

?

36 posted on 09/30/2005 9:57:29 AM PDT by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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To: Stu Cohen
My opinion of your stupidity, as you've just admitted, is just an opinion of something obvious. At least we agree on that. Now, are you in favor of inflaming Islamic terrorists?
37 posted on 09/30/2005 10:00:00 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (MSM: de facto allies of America's enemies.)
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To: elhombrelibre
My opinion of your stupidity, as you've just admitted, is just an opinion of something obvious. At least we agree on that.

Oh gee, what next, are you going to call me a "doo-doo head"?

How about urine-soaked-booze-hound? It's at least an adult insult.

Go ahead try it. Call me that. It's a little more creative that "stupid".

38 posted on 09/30/2005 10:04:33 AM PDT by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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To: Stu Cohen

No, Stu. I'm not going to call you "doo-doo head." I'm sure that would turn you on. Why don't you tell me what you think of the people who try to kill my friends here in Iraq?


39 posted on 09/30/2005 10:06:18 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (MSM: de facto allies of America's enemies.)
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To: elhombrelibre
No, Stu. I'm not going to call you "doo-doo head." I'm sure that would turn you on

Dang it, you're on to me.

Why the sudden civility? Did the insults not elicit the immediate hysterical responses that they usually do?

Why don't all try to defend ourselves from schoolyard insults. You may have to forumulate responses that merely state your opinion, without personal attacks in order for someone to engage you in meaningful dialog. Just an FYI.

P.S. Why do you care so much what I think?

40 posted on 09/30/2005 10:13:37 AM PDT by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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