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Gamemaker Sued Over Hidden Sex in GTA
http://enews.earthlink.net/ ^ | 27 July 2005 | staff

Posted on 07/27/2005 2:09:16 PM PDT by wingnutx

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To: wingnutx

A giant M 17+ on the box and after the fact she complains it's not appropriate for her 14 year old. Clearly she's an idiot.


21 posted on 07/27/2005 2:25:31 PM PDT by Bacon Man (Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial.)
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To: Mrs. Shawnlaw

It does have a rating label, plus very descriptive text on the back cover of any game.


22 posted on 07/27/2005 2:25:58 PM PDT by wingnutx (Seabees Can Do!)
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To: Mrs. Shawnlaw
Sometimes being a parent you have to make decisions that may not be consistent but explaining the reasons teaches the kids prudence. Its not always simple. I'm with the parent on this one. The game guy went too far.

Wrong. As a parent, you have an obligation to be consistent.

The game was intended for those over 17.

If you have an issue with adult material, you have it unconditionally. If you have an issue with "wizardry" (as you imply with your description of Yu-Gi-Oh), then you have it unconditionally.

That being said, the Rockstar folks went too far.

But this woman doing the suing is an idiot, and I hope she loses her shirt.

23 posted on 07/27/2005 2:27:09 PM PDT by mhking (The world needs a wake up call gentlemen...we're gonna phone it in.)
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To: mhking
She bought a game intended for 17 and over for a 14 year-old. But when things that are in a game that's intended for an 18 year-old showed up, she wanted to sue.

It's easy to understand; carjacking, mugging, shooting cops, stealing merchandise, selling drugs, ect, is all fine for a fourteen to seventeen your old, but when you throw in sex... /sarcasm So is she admitting the game was permissible before she saw the sex?
24 posted on 07/27/2005 2:27:30 PM PDT by Welsh Rabbit
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To: Welsh Rabbit

your= year


25 posted on 07/27/2005 2:28:29 PM PDT by Welsh Rabbit
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To: wingnutx

Game is marked 17+ if this isn't thrown out of court I'll be suprised. (Well, probably not suprised but certainly disgusted)


26 posted on 07/27/2005 2:28:54 PM PDT by rattrap
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To: Terpfen

At first they said it was not there, when it was. Then they admitted it was there all along.

The tort lawyers will latch onto that apparent intent to decieve like a slug on a mushroom.

Hey, I dislike tort cases like this too, but I think that's what will happen.

Hmm, isn't President Hillary interested in video games, GTA in particular? Wonder if the grandmother in this case knows her.


27 posted on 07/27/2005 2:29:53 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: DBrow

I guess the closest analogy I can come up with is this. Many DVDs come with "Easter Eggs." Which are little undocumented featurettes that play when you enter certain combinations of buttons on a remote. Imagine if you bought a DVD that was rated PG-13, but had an "Easter Egg" that brought up a porn scene. Should the studio then be liable?


28 posted on 07/27/2005 2:30:01 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Terpfen

They are responsible for the code they sell. If the code is there, it is their responsibility. The fact that you need a hack to access it is irrelevant. They put the code there, so they have to answer for it.

The cynical would say that this is all a ploy by the manufacturer to generate a second wave of interest in a game that was successful largely on the strength of being controversial. After a year, people were acclimated to what was previously controversial (the theft and murder), so the company releases the code to access the hidden sex through a back channel...

Brilliant marketing, but just plain illegal. The company should be made to pay, big time. I don't think they should lose all profits, as the suit asks. But I would not be upset to see them lose all profits realized since the hack became common knowledge.

Or do you think this hack was innocently discovered by some third party?


29 posted on 07/27/2005 2:30:11 PM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: wingnutx

Well, that's not much of a "buy" recommendation!


30 posted on 07/27/2005 2:30:16 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: dfwgator

This one was rated the equivalent of R or NC-17 in the first place.

Also, the added content is actually tame compared to the game itself.


31 posted on 07/27/2005 2:31:42 PM PDT by wingnutx (Seabees Can Do!)
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To: Welsh Rabbit

If course if it depicted gay sex, Hillary wouldn't have had a problem with it.


32 posted on 07/27/2005 2:33:42 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Terpfen

Yeah I though they were weak. I though that the Vice City Missions were better laid out. I though the game needed a couple of more characters since the ones from Vice city just seemed more developed. Though I do admit that I did like the cameos of GTA3 guy, Catalina, Rosenburg, and Kent Paul(wanted a Tommy Vercetti). As a whole I though that the game enviroment itself was outstanding while the missions were just kinda blah.....


33 posted on 07/27/2005 2:33:57 PM PDT by Little_shoe ("For Sailor MEN in Battle fair since fighting days of old have earned the right.to the blue and gold)
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To: wingnutx
...now she wants to sue over inappropriate content(if the 14 year old downloads the patch and hacks the game to access it).

As if the rhythmically-rocking car with the hooker in it (with moaning for those that don't get the visual cue), the bedroom dialog from the "cold coffee" (complete with subtitles for the "dense"), drug-running, wanton-killing complete with bloody beheadings and de-limbings, and carjacking (it is Grand Theft Auto, after all) were appropriate content for 14-year-olds. The old "M for Mature" warning sticker says "Blood and Gore, Intense Violence, Strong Language, Strong Sexual Content, Use of Drugs" (emphasis added).

Further, it's the PS2 version the grandma and her money-grubbing lawyer are suing over, where all one needs is an Action Replay device and the necessary codes to get the "Hot Coffee" content (no downloads necessary, and NO way for Rockstar to stop it through a patch).

34 posted on 07/27/2005 2:34:24 PM PDT by steveegg (Real torture is taking a ride with Sen Ted "Swimmer" Kennedy in a 1968 Oldsmobile off a short bridge)
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To: gridlock
Or do you think this hack was innocently discovered by some third party?

It pretty much WAS discovered by a third party, as the mod wasn't released until the PC version came out: prior to that, the game code was inaccessible.

So I guess film studios should be responsible for edited footage in an R-rated movie, too.
35 posted on 07/27/2005 2:34:33 PM PDT by Terpfen (Liberals call the Constitution a living document because they enjoy torturing it.)
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To: mhking
The only logic I see is a lady (and most likely an ambulance-chasing lawyer) who sees dollar signs and wants an instant payday.

And they'll get it. Stock tip; short Take-Two Interactive.

36 posted on 07/27/2005 2:35:18 PM PDT by steveegg (Real torture is taking a ride with Sen Ted "Swimmer" Kennedy in a 1968 Oldsmobile off a short bridge)
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To: wingnutx
Earlier this week, the House voted 355-21 for a resolution asking the FTC to investigate the company

It's nice to see that Congress has fixed every other problem in the country and can now go after pixel nudity.

37 posted on 07/27/2005 2:35:38 PM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: DBrow
At first they said it was not there, when it was. Then they admitted it was there all along.

I've been following this, and I don't recall such a timeline of events. Could you link me to a story where Rockstar denies the code's existence? (I'm not disbelieving you, I've just never seen such a statement.)
38 posted on 07/27/2005 2:35:54 PM PDT by Terpfen (Liberals call the Constitution a living document because they enjoy torturing it.)
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To: Little_shoe

I don't know... it's hard to beat Ryder as a character. Sweet should've gotten a little more development, but I thought SA was better than Vice City overall.

(The GTA3 guy's name is Claude Speed, BTW.)


39 posted on 07/27/2005 2:37:12 PM PDT by Terpfen (Liberals call the Constitution a living document because they enjoy torturing it.)
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To: wingnutx

Why can't it just be enough for them to remove the games and ship new ones with the scenes taken out? No money for the lawyers that's why.


40 posted on 07/27/2005 2:38:00 PM PDT by dfwgator
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