Former Bush Team Member Says WTC Collapse Likely A Controlled Demolition And 'Inside Job'

arcticbeacon.com ^ | June 12, 2005 | Greg Szymanski

[rlmorel]

I could be mistaken, but I think if you take a plane and plow it into the ground at a high angle approaching vertical, you get...a smoking crater. We had heard of a plane crash from a sister squadron in just such a way when I was in the Navy, and someone who purportedly visited the scene said there was very little sign of recognizable wreckage, just a big black smoking hole.

There are some folks on FR who could answer this type of thing, but I cannot remember their handles...

[Khashayar]

BUMP!

[blackie]

Thanks ~ a little satire goes a long ways. ;)

[capydick]

This is interestinng, can anyone debunk this part of the article? I too do not remember any pictures.

That's because it was incinerated, for the most part. There are plenty of eye witnesses who saw the plane flying erratically and, actually at one point was flying belly up. Here's a couple pics of the area:

You can find more by doing a google search on "flight 93".

[rlmorel]

LOL.

Did anyone else check out www.arcticbeacon.com?

A moonbat site if there ever was one.

[writer33]

You're welcome, blackie. Thanks for reading when I post 'em.

[JimSEA]

I love the hype from the home page:

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[JamesP81]

This guy is a kook, steel or any metal gets to a weakened state long before reaching any melting temperature

My dad is a machinist, he works on heavy industrial and marine gearboxes and other large-scale machines, so I have over time picked up a bit of metallurgy from him.

When a part is made of steel, they do something called heat tempering, which is done after heat treatment. Tempering reduces the brittleness of the steel and increases it's durability. I couldn't find data on tempering for structural steel, but 280C-300C is sufficient for cold forging tools and springs, both of which require very fine quality steels. To temper, you heat the steel up to the required temperature, then cool it quickly (called quenching). This is done in several different media, but water is a common one. The thing is, if you heat the steel and don't cool it quickly after tempering, the tempering is lost. The steel becomes very brittle, if it doesn't melt in the heat. 300C temperatures are credible to me in a fire like that. And any loss in the heat tempering in a portion of the steel structure is almost certain to cause a collapse.

[Nat Turner]

two words:

MOON + BAT

[Moleman]

Thanks Cappy!

[Moleman]

LOL!!

[Bubba]

From the President of A&M down to the walksweeper and everyone inbetween... has disavowed and disalowed this IDIOT last June when this carp came out and it took them a number of seconds to do it. He did not and does not have an office at A&M.

It's my understanding he...
does not like ladies
won't drink a hot Pearl
drives a Volvo
thinks horse poop stinks and gig'em is what you do to a frog
does not drink Dr.Pepper
plays bridge
hates -BQ, fried chicken, catfish & collies
believes Gen. G.S. Patton was a bully
once said he actually saw "Cutter Bill" with English saddle on
and was directly responsible for Dale Earnheart's death.

That should rock solid seal the bloody fool's fate. (humor)

[rocksblues]

What is so ridiculous about this moon bat/tinfoil morons statements, is not the total weight of the buildings above the impact point that was superheated to above 2000 degrees. It is the fact that there are morons out there that believe him!

[hattend]

The familiar photo of the Flight 93 crash site in Pennsylvania shows no fuselage, engine or anything recognizable as a plane, just a smoking hole in the ground," said Reynolds. "Photographers reportedly were not allowed near the hole. Neither the FBI nor the National Transportation Safety Board have investigated or produced any report on the alleged airliner crashes."

I went on a crash recovery trip when I was stationed in New Mexico in the late 70's. During a snowstorm, two F-5s were letting down to Holloman AFB, when they disappeared from radar. They weren't found for 6 months. They both hit the ground in formation and blew out a couple of holes in the desert floor which filled with snow and water. They disappeared from the face of the earth.

They were found by a rancher who was out riding on his property. When we picked up the pieces, the largest pieces were buried deep in the earth (forward portion of the cockpit and the largest pieces were about a foot or so in diameter.

Those were relatively small jets flying at about 300 knots. Imagine something like an airliner with lots of mass and fuel going much faster than that. That hole is pretty freaking big and all the big pieces are dug into the bottom of the hole...driven way underground.

[lp boonie]

I'm investing in tin foil hats even as I write. The nut jobs are going to be all over this.

[danny5555]

This is a joke site right?

[Zuriel]

I remember the photo of what was left of the failed attempt to free our people in Iran during the Carter term.
There was C-130 turbine engines lying on the desert and not much else. I realize that aircraft use a minimum of steel.

As a steel fabricator, I'm well aware of getting the right mix of fuel at the torch tip for maximum heat. The C-130's fuel (and the copter's) fuel did a pretty good job of almost incinerating everything. And that was with an inefficient burn (lots of fuel burning rapidly, so lots went up without really directing it's heat.

The WTC jets left holes to fan the flames in a more controlled, 'blast furnace', fashion. Very little fuel was wasted in developing a very hot fire that could easily weaken the center of the buildings.

[blackie]

I'm here to serve, Chris.