Posted on 03/31/2005 9:58:40 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
And, I never said they should have killed her either. No brain, no pain, it's just a body living on brain stem function. They could have kept it alive to keep the parents happy, at least until they were on feeding tubes too.
Maybe they could have set a world record, keeping a body alive with no brain. maybe they already did.
There's a nice pic of her empy skull to look at if you like at the link I posted as well. maybe you can post it here if you like for all to see.
Oh that's nice of her. But do you really got to call it a death home? Well I guess that is better than a dath home.
people stop eating and starve to death every day there. It is painless if you have no underlying conditions, like cancer.
Terri didn't have cancer, yet she was given morphine. And she wasn't given a chance to have any food or water. A judge just ordered her feeding tube removed.
I've been an army medic for 23 years, and have seen starving people in many countries. They aren't in pain, they are weak, lathargic, but not in pain.
Where they given morphine like Terri?
Try using your brain, and look it up for yourself instead of trying to use the stupidity of people to add further drama to the case.
One could say that you should use your brain to look up how to spell lethargic and death.
“There remain huge uncertainties in regard to Terri's true neurological status. I believe that, within a reasonable degree of medical certainty there is a great likelihood that Terri is in a minimally conscious state rather than a persistent vegetative state.”
Your response.
CRANFORD: Well actually if you read his report, he says she has no visual tracking and she has no conscious awareness which are the cardinal signs of the vegetative state, so I don't think there's any doubt she's in a vegetative state. He never examined her.
(Ooops, opinion from someone who has never examined her. Great medical evidence of brain activity.)
"He did an interview with her for 90 minutes, observing her. He never viewed her CT scans. He makes no mention of her EEG, so while he's a reputable neurologist, perhaps, at the Mayo Clinic, his report means absolutely nothing. It's a desperation, last minute move by the governor who just doesn't know what else to do, so he brings in a Christian fundamentalist neurologist. It's just not true."
ABRAMS: [injecting drama] I feel for the parents here and I'm going to play a sound bite...
CRANFORD: [truthfully] So do I.
ABRAMS: [injecting more drama] I want you to listen to [the blinded by emotion word of a parent] it and just tell me if it's even medically possible that this is the case.
[Video] SCHINDLER: [injecting drama] She's alive and she's fighting like hell to live, and she's begging for help. She's still communicating, still responding. She's emaciated, but she's responsive.
ABRAMS: Doctor, I mean you hate to say it but that's just a father wishful thinking, isn't it?
CRANFORD: [stating from experience] I hate to say it but it's a father wishful thinking. These are sincere caring people. I think the Schindlers as opposed to the right to life activists and the president and Congress and all the others, I think they really believe that she's interacting. They really believe she's been denied medical care, and I think about sympathizes with their concerns.
"This is a loving, caring family but they're wrong. And they've known they've been wrong. She's been diagnosed a vegetative state ever since the early 1990s. They were told that repeatedly in the early 1990s. It's wishful thinking on the part of parents who dearly love their daughter and don't want her to be in the vegetative state she's in. But Dan, there's really no doubt whatsoever."
"No credible [<-note] neurologist has come along who's examined her who's said she's not in a vegetative state. It's just what they want to see. And you can see how scary the tapes are that show her apparently interacting with her eyes open. But her eyes are open, but she's not even looking at her mother when you look at those tapes."
ABRAMS: Let's talk about the CT scan. You actually have the CT scan.
CRANFORD: Yes, this is a CT scan of Terri Schiavo taken in 2002, the most recent CT scan done on her, 2002.
ABRAMS: Tell us what it means.
CRANFORD: Well it shows extremely severe atrophy. Where those black areas are, that should be white. That should be cerebral cortex, and so really there is no cerebral cortex left. It's just a shrinkage of the cerebral cortex. It's a thin band of white on the outside and any neurologist or any radiologist looking at those CT scans will tell you that her atrophy could not be more severe than it is. So even if she were mentally conscious, which she's not, she's irreversible. She's been like this for 15 years, Dan, and that CT scan shows the most extreme severe atrophy of the higher centers of the brain.
ABRAMS: And what about those who say that there should have been more tests? That she's never had a PET scan. That she needs another MRI.
CRANFORD: Well she doesn't need an MRI because a MRI will not show any more damage than this C.T. and you can again check with any radiologists. They'll tell you this CT scan is more than adequate.
But, heck, all you intrnet docs are right, he's wrong, the missing brain is just hiding, etc. Believe what you want. I'll stick with the truth.
If you had a brain, you'd know why they gave her morphine. It was to prevent spasms it turns out. They gave her 5 mg on Thursday, and 5 mg on Sat.
Now, the usual dose of Morphine is 10 mg every 3.5 hrs for pain. It's also protocol to give morphine to dying patients, because it helps them pass on quicker. it slows the heart etc. But mr Shindler started yelling about that, saying they were trying to kill her off faster, so she never recieved any after that.
She was not in any pain at any time and she has no brain to feel pain with.
***"He did an interview with her for 90 minutes, observing her. He never viewed her CT scans. He makes no mention of her EEG, so while he's a reputable neurologist, perhaps, at the Mayo Clinic, his report means absolutely nothing. It's a desperation, last minute move by the governor who just doesn't know what else to do, so he brings in a Christian fundamentalist neurologist. It's just not true."
You can tell he didn't read the affidavit. Even I know more than he does. DR. Cheshire said he read all her medical records (I would assume that means the CT scan & EEG). He observed her and watched the video tapes. Cranford's sentence "Christian fundamentalist neurologist" says it all. HIS Bias is showing. Dr. Cranford, Humane Death Dr., is one to be talking. I would say someone working for the MAYO Clinic is more qualified than yahoo Cranford.
Oh, I am. If you are so smart you'd know that Terri didn't starve to death. She was dehydrated to death. Yes, I'm sure the people in your wife's "death home" do stop eating. As an aged body shuts down, the organs quit functioning. Forcing food down somebody at that point is useless, and would lead to discomfort for the dying person not prolong their life. What happened to Terri is not remotely close to that scenario.
You can say "she had no brain" all you want, but it doesn't make it so. You criticize "paid" doctors then turn around and quote one yourself to back up claims. I saw Dr. Cranford in another interview and he was asked point blank if he has ever diagnosed a patient as PVS and been wrong. He had to admit that indeed that had happened. He had declared someone as PVS who later came around. Guess your Dr. Death is not quite so perfect.
But if Terri had no brain and no feeling, why the morphine drip? Why would she groan and pull her arm away when it was pinched by a doctor? Why would she smile when her mother came in the room? Why would she act startled when someone would snap their fingers in front of her eyes? And, finally, if she has no brain and has been dead for 15 years, why not give her back to her parents? Why is it SO important to kill someone who's not even there?
I think the doctor on CNN said it was for pain. And I didn't claim to be a medical expert. But if I was or was claiming to be one, I would at least spell lethargic and death right before telling everyone to use their brain. Honestly, I think you got issues and I lost all respect for you when you went after the girls father. Have a nice day.
finally, if she has no brain and has been dead for 15 years, why not give her back to her parents? Why is it SO important to kill someone who's not even there?
Because the blood sucking vampires want her dead. They are as evil as the people who starved and gassed 6 million Jews to death.
There is no difference.
I knew you would come through
For all who wonder, Terri was refused eat and drink ( not that she could eat or drink on her own)
It is EXACTLY the same scenario. When these old people refuse food, they refuse to eat OR drink. IF this person had any experience with life, nursing homes, old people, this person would know this.
You can say "she had no brain" all you want, but it doesn't make it so I know how to read an MRI, a ct scan, xrays, etc. As does this doctor, who spent a great deal of money on his education, as did I. I can see quite clearly, as can you IF you took a look at the pics (which I will post shortly because you are simply too lazy, dumb or what ever to look at them at the link provided). By all means, tell me what qualifies you to read what the image shows;- better than every doctor and radiologist, emt on the planet? What is shows is this: buy a loaf of bead, take all the bread out of the bag, blow it up, and then wrap the opening of the bag around a broom handle, adding more air to keep it inflated on the tip of the broom handle. The broom handle is Terri's spine, the empty space is terri's brain, the plastic bag is the brain sack holding that spinal fluid in this cavity. In Terri's case, she has a big pimple full of fluid in her skull, held together by her brain sack. Her brain is MISSING, everything that was her is missing with it. If for some reason you still can't understand that when your brain is dead, so is everyhing which made you an idividual with a distinct personality, and abilities to control you body. You become nothing but an empty shell, a corpse. Again, scroll up, look at the pics. Just what is so hard about it?
I think you meant to type, "Dumb as a post."
Amazing. You read a story and believe it, yet the same site which tells the reason why she was given morphine, you don't read the story. PLUS, you just can't understand that a body with NO BRAIN just can't feel pain, that the cerebal cortex, the nerve centre, is GONE, yet somehow she can feel pain in you tiny mind's opinion. I described to you what is protocol, what is recomended dosage for pain, AND, i even told you what was given to her and when, and the reasons she was given it, as told by her own father, yet, you still manage to disagree. That's incredible. No amount of truth, fact, evidence, common sence can make you think; and change your mind. YOU ARE NOT A REPUBLICAN. You display every symptom of a democrat. Go away.
Did I say that I read it? There was a doctor on and he said it.
YOU ARE NOT A REPUBLICAN. You display every symptom of a democrat. Go away.
Say what? I been here longer than you. Why don't you leave and take your bad spelling with you. Have a nice life loser.
What?
you have NOT been here longer than me. I've been here from the beginning.
Again, you assume things without checking.
Now, you say you didn't read the story, or the others from the source, yet you believe that she was given morphine for pain, when she hasn't had morphine since last Saturday.
You call me a liar, although I tell you what protocol is for morphine and the sick and dying. I even give you what the standard dose is and intervals.
Yet, you ignore the information because you can't agree with it simply because it destroys your beliefs.
Can you see yet how irrational people are over this issue?
You don't even know what my stand on this is! It was, "why not leave her body alive? she's not suffering, what's the harm in allowing her parents to have a little hope?"
Oh, and tease me all you wish on my typing. I happen to be disabled myself, and try do the best I can. I think I do quite well considering.
23 years serving the country to raise idiots bothers me though.
2004-12-06 is when you registered. But you could have been here long before you signed up and lurked like me. I will give you that. But to tell someone they are not a republican and to leave because you don't like what they say is pathetic. Especially when the person your talking to has been here for a while. So I don't care what you have to say at this point. Have a nice life.
"That damned Tetzel"
You also conveniently fail to address the issue of your beloved Dr. Death being DEAD wrong before about declaring a patient PVS. Doctors are human. They make mistakes. I say let's err on the side of life. You got a problem with that?
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